Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

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    Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:56 am

    I've tried time and time again, but I can't parry it's 2H R2 (the AoE attack). Prostration

    Is there some sort of trick to parrying it, or is it just impossible?

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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:24 am

    That's like trying to parry a MLGS's magic explosion. You could get a partial parry.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Kyōkai on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:26 am

    WyrmHero wrote:That's like trying to parry a MLGS's magic explosion. You could get a partial parry.

    Wait a second can't you parry the MLGS R2 attacks? Or are you just referring to the actual explosion, and not the swing?


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:32 am

    I'm not sure really, my best clue is partial parry since you can partial parry WoGs and spells.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:34 am

    WyrmHero wrote:That's like trying to parry a MLGS's magic explosion. You could get a partial parry.
    You can parry the swing, but not the AoE itself.

    Iwant to parry Obsidian's 2H R2. Not the AoE, but the stab in the ground. But I just can't do it. I'm afraid it's like Large/Great Club's 2H rolling R1. I just wanted to ask more experienced users if they know if it's parryable at all, and if it is, how to time it.

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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:39 am

    Lol crazy.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by RANT on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:55 am

    Im pretty sure you can, judging by the dka parry timing with fast parry I would parry right after the wind up.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by ClassicBlaze on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:40 pm

    He isnt exactly swinging at you, only slaming the ground with it, so you shouldnt be able to parry...but thats using logic, so im not 100% sure.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:45 pm

    ClassicBlaze wrote:He isnt exactly swinging at you, only slaming the ground with it, so you shouldnt be able to parry...but thats using logic, so im not 100% sure.
    Yes, it does look unparryable, but I would still want to know if it is possible, or no. Perhaps I'll ask someone to test it with me.

    My point is, that I know it's parryable, and if I can learn the timing, I won't have to roll away from it and I could parry it, just like other of these special R2s.

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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:35 pm

    Do some RSS tests on it (preferably with an unupgraded Obsidian Greatsword). My guess would be no, but then again I've never tried. Dodging always seemed to me to be the safer bet there as opposed to trying to parry such a move.

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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:41 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Do some RSS tests on it (preferably with an unupgraded Obsidian Greatsword). My guess would be no, but then again I've never tried. Dodging always seemed to me to be the safer bet there as opposed to trying to parry such a move.
    But when you parry such a move and then riposte the :dung: out of them.
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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:43 pm

    Take a hit, that'll let you know if you can parry with it.

    The dragon weapons for example, deal extra damage if they hit you with the swing and the magic attack.

    I haven't tested the obsidian greatsword yet, but if when swinging down just flame hits you and not the weapon, it would mean you can't parry and riposte off of that.
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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by ChizFreak on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:46 pm

    If you can parry Dragonking's Greataxe's R2 2Handed then I don't see why not.


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    Post by FullSpe3D on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:39 pm

    I've tested it, even with a broken OGS. Unless 3 people who are good PvPers failed it and only got partials for 10 minutes straight, it's unparryable.
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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Seignar on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:44 pm

    The reason that you can parry other specials like Dragon King Greatsword, Dragon King Greataxe, Moonlight Greatsword, etc. is because these specials work 2 ways: The magic and the actual swing.

    The magic is the main damage source and, ultimately, the only point in the move. The swing itself is a compliment that can actually deal additional damage should you land it. In the case of the Moonlight Greatsword, the horizontal swing is wide-angled and can actually let you hit people that are out of the magic's reach because it counts as a separate attack.

    This separate attack can be parried and, in a way, stops the magic due to the fact that this rare, mysterious second hit actually is the first thing to come out. For example, the Dragon King Greataxe's explosion comes out when the weapons hits the ground, but the swing downward is the initial attack that hits first. If you were to parry that first swing, logic works and the axe never touches the ground (or at least, the game does not read as the animation ending), so the explosion never happens.

    In the case of the Obsidian Greatsword, this second hit does not exist. The downward thrust is read as an animation, but not an actual attack; it doesn't have a separate hitbox that counts as a weapon swing. Hence, this leaves the magic attack as the only existing hitbox in that animation, which is classified as unparriable. So, all the times you were parrying, you were not parrying the sword, as the sword *does not exist*. Rather, you parried the magic explosion that came form the sword.

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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:54 am

    ^Short version: special attacks that have a swinging animation are parriable; those that don't are not.

    Examples of those that can be parried:
    - MLGS
    - DKGA
    - DGS
    - Golem Axe

    Examples of those that can't:
    - Grant
    - Obsidian GS


    I think the Dragonslayer Spear's 1H R1 can also be parried, but I haven't done it so I'm not sure. Same for Drake Sword.


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    Re: Parrying Obsidian Greatsword

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:21 am

    Seignar wrote:The reason that you can parry other specials like Dragon King Greatsword, Dragon King Greataxe, Moonlight Greatsword, etc. is because these specials work 2 ways: The magic and the actual swing.

    The magic is the main damage source and, ultimately, the only point in the move. The swing itself is a compliment that can actually deal additional damage should you land it. In the case of the Moonlight Greatsword, the horizontal swing is wide-angled and can actually let you hit people that are out of the magic's reach because it counts as a separate attack.

    This separate attack can be parried and, in a way, stops the magic due to the fact that this rare, mysterious second hit actually is the first thing to come out. For example, the Dragon King Greataxe's explosion comes out when the weapons hits the ground, but the swing downward is the initial attack that hits first. If you were to parry that first swing, logic works and the axe never touches the ground (or at least, the game does not read as the animation ending), so the explosion never happens.

    In the case of the Obsidian Greatsword, this second hit does not exist. The downward thrust is read as an animation, but not an actual attack; it doesn't have a separate hitbox that counts as a weapon swing. Hence, this leaves the magic attack as the only existing hitbox in that animation, which is classified as unparriable. So, all the times you were parrying, you were not parrying the sword, as the sword *does not exist*. Rather, you parried the magic explosion that came form the sword.
    This perfect and deserves a +1. cheers

    Thank you very much.
    Now that I know this, I don't have to try it anymore and will rather roll BS.


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