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    Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by AzureTear on Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:26 am

    Well, I'm trying to decide what kind of spear to upgrade to +15 for my hyper glass cannon build and I want to know what would be the best.

    I see some people using a partisan or a plain ol' spear, but why don't they use the winged spear or something? I'm not too well versed in spears so I'd be grateful if you guys expanded on it.
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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by LunarFog on Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:36 am

    As a veteran in spears, let me help you here.

    If you have high stats, the Demon Slayer spear will EASILY outdamage every other spear, AND it has one of the longest range out of all the spears, which also means one of the longest ranges of any melee weapon in the entire game. The only "flaw" it may have is that it does lightning damage and can't be buffed. and the heavy attacks are both slow to the point of uselessness. ALTHOUGH the heavy attacks have a ridiculous amount of range, it's possible someone may just back up about 30 feet and think that they're safe and then get gored.

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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:53 am

    another good choice is the silver knight spear, almost as much range ats the demons spear, and it depends mostly on dex scaling, still unbuffable though, the longest buffable spear is the pike but it weighs 10 pounds, what would help most would be your build stats so we know what we have to work with...


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:56 am

    Just to clear it up for the OP, the Demon's Spear and the Dragonslayer Spear are 2 different weapons. Just so there is no confusion.

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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:04 am

    The Pike is the best of the buffable ones since it has longer range. However it weights 10 and you need 24 Str for 1 hand it.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by Kyōkai on Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:06 am

    WyrmHero wrote:The Pike is the best of the buffable ones since it has longer range. However it weights 10 and you need 24 Str for 1 hand it.

    Pike's dashing and backstep attacks = So much love/hate.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:31 am

    Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't care for buffing spears? They're good enough weapons as is they don't really need the boost. Not the mention the best ones are all unbuffable (MLBH, DSS, SKS).

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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by Kyōkai on Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:52 am

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't care for buffing spears? They're good enough weapons as is they don't really need the boost. Not the mention the best ones are all unbuffable (MLBH, DSS, SKS).

    /gets an R2 Leo Ring counter with a buffed Pike

    I think I'll stick to buffing spears lol.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:29 am

    LunarFog wrote:As a veteran in spears, let me help you here.

    If you have high stats, the Demon Slayer spear will EASILY outdamage every other spear, AND it has one of the longest range out of all the spears, which also means one of the longest ranges of any melee weapon in the entire game. The only "flaw" it may have is that it does lightning damage and can't be buffed. and the heavy attacks are both slow to the point of uselessness. ALTHOUGH the heavy attacks have a ridiculous amount of range, it's possible someone may just back up about 30 feet and think that they're safe and then get gored.
    It's also very hard to dodge an unlocked DS r2, and it sends low poise characters flying.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:30 am

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't care for buffing spears? They're good enough weapons as is they don't really need the boost. Not the mention the best ones are all unbuffable (MLBH, DSS, SKS).

    I agree with you pendant.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by AzureTear on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:28 am

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=448161801616664067

    This is basically my build, with room for whatever spear would be best, since its a hyper glass cannon as long as it does sufficient damage to 2 shot people when i'm in hyper mode, and has a viable moveset I like.
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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:32 am

    Use the Pike.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:35 am

    definately the pike, just a note though... the dragon roar gives a bigger damage boost the higher you are in the cov, same with the darkmoon miracle to an extent, i think it would be more efficient to be +3 dragon cov with sunlight blade, whats more that would extend the roars range. the only issue with that is that it takes 80 dragon scales to reach +3 in the cov...


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by Animaaal on Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:40 pm

    AzureTear wrote:Well, I'm trying to decide what kind of spear to upgrade to +15 for my hyper glass cannon build and I want to know what would be the best.

    I see some people using a partisan or a plain ol' spear, but why don't they use the winged spear or something? I'm not too well versed in spears so I'd be grateful if you guys expanded on it.

    Most people use the Partizan because it has a horizontal attack. That combined with it being a spear in general makes it one of the best choices. Not to mention that having a horizontal attack makes it easier to dead angle with.
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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by ChizFreak on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:27 pm

    Silver Knight Spear is the best spear. (lol)

    Seriously though, for me it's the best, longest range along with MLBH and DSS, the MLBH does pure magic damage, and most shields can counter that (and don't forget GMB), and the DSS does split up damage, so it sucks, it may have higher AR than the rest of spears but it doesn't do actually more damage unless you have ultra high stats, the only good thing about the DSS is that I "think" it breaks guards more easily than the other 2 spears.

    The SKS is better than normal spears because of great range, you can out range someone casting Great Combustion with it for example. Also because it's pure physical damage (unlike the DSS) it works wonderfully with the Leo Ring (which only boosts physical counter attack thrust damage). The range advantage is very important and will make you win most battles. Also the SKS stunlocks very easily because it has great poise damage. 2-handed the SKS is a stunlock machine. With enough poise, you will stunlock anyone who tries to trade hits with you (unless they are wearing something super heavy like havel's, giant's, stone guardian's etc).

    The DSS requires far too much stat investment weakening your build.

    Finally, the SKS works flawlessly with the Dragon Roar, which for a Glass Cannon build you're doing fits perfectly. Red Tearstone Ring, Leo Ring, Dragon Body >>> Roar, the roar stuns people and pushed them far, but because of the range SKS you can still hit them while the buff is active and have an ultra damage output. I did had a build like that for a long time.


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    Re: Difference in Spear weapons?

    Post by RANT on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:30 pm

    Partizan!!!


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