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    [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:29 pm

    Any and all feedback is much appreciated. Inb4 17 ATT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNh9tAKK7Cg
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:33 pm

    I hate this build and I hate you for using it.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:34 pm

    Why? Not haveldad mcflips enough for you?
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:39 pm

    Huge poise. Huge defense. I hit this thing with my Zwei, do 400 damage and no stun. I start to question things when that happens. Why do I bother using a Zwei? Why do I bother playing Dark Souls? Is there any reason to go on?


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:41 pm

    Hahah now you know the pain of every chaoshander giantdad that went head to head with THE TANK
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:44 pm

    Ah yes the 500 defense monster. I planned it medium roll, 93 poise (91 is pointless since 93 is the next sweet spot). And yes a Halberd. twisted

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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:48 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Ah yes the 500 defense monster. I planned it medium roll, 93 poise (91 is pointless since 93 is the next sweet spot). And yes a Halberd. twisted

    http://mmdks.com/tc4
    Yeah I could hit the next tier of poise and make it midroll but I'm too lazy and threw full giants on one of my existing faith builds lol

    Solid build though
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:48 pm

    Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:53 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.
    You fought me before? I had that setup on a 27/40 build before losing all my manatees in a drunken confusion so I switched to my faith build.
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:56 pm

    question... why no secondary weapon to the halberd? you have enough weight to slap on a zwei (twohanded ofc) or better yet a pike (again two handed)
    https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=362831170193770450
    ... well this is how i would have done it, iron flesh for more tankiness and the mura or a number of other weapon for stun locking etc (as with these stats you can use almost every weapon in the game to max effectiveness.)


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:58 pm

    Looks boring...

    What's the point of using a fat-rolling tank if you use a halberd...

    Use BIG weapons, because you have BALLS OF STEEL, you don't need no **** range with that halberd, you go use a Demon's Greathammer and crush everyone's skull as you poise their attacks and laugh at their tiny weapons and their ridiculous damage!

    And while I won't deny Giant's is one of the best for tanks when it comes to defense, there are better options for poise, but I guess at 91 poise it won't matter much, though against gankers any extra poise helps so you don't get stunlocked.

    Finally, the Black Knight Shield is ugly as ****, but I understand why you're using it and I admit there aren't any better options to counter pyromancies. Still, maybe a Dragon Crest Shield would be nice, though inferior, it's more stylish.

    The biggest drawback is the halberd, it's effective yes, but it doesn't fit my image of a tank Also I believe the most important part of tank is to have a shield, and that when you raise it you're invincible (technically), see Havel's Greatshield.


    It's a solid build anyway happy.

    PS: Ultra Greatswords are awesome too for "tanks", especially when fighting gankers (cause of great range),


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:03 pm

    Kobra wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.
    You fought me before? I had that setup on a 27/40 build before losing all my manatees in a drunken confusion so I switched to my faith build.
    A couple times, across 3 different PSN's: DarkFoals, YouHollowed, and Saturday-Saint.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:09 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.

    The poise sweetspots adds after 31. For 2 hits 62, for 3 hits 93.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:12 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.

    The poise sweetspots adds after 31. For 2 hits 62, for 3 hits 93.
    You might want to watch the video again. He clearly tanks 3 consecutive spear hits at about 4 minutes in. The break points are 31, 61, and 91.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Kobra on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:18 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:question... why no secondary weapon to the halberd? you have enough weight to slap on a zwei (twohanded ofc) or better yet a pike (again two handed)
    https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=362831170193770450
    ... well this is how i would have done it, iron flesh for more tankiness and the mura or a number of other weapon for stun locking etc (as with these stats you can use almost every weapon in the game to max effectiveness.)

    Like I said, I threw full giants on an already existing build, it could be min-maxed better but there's really no need, i still won well over 80% of all my fights. You could definitely add a secondary weapon, but the halberd is all I really needed.

    ChizFreak wrote:Looks boring...

    What's the point of using a fat-rolling tank if you use a halberd...

    Use BIG weapons, because you have BALLS OF STEEL, you don't need no **** range with that halberd, you go use a Demon's Greathammer and crush everyone's skull as you poise their attacks and laugh at their tiny weapons and their ridiculous damage!

    And while I won't deny Giant's is one of the best for tanks when it comes to defense, there are better options for poise, but I guess at 91 poise it won't matter much, though against gankers any extra poise helps so you don't get stunlocked.

    Finally, the Black Knight Shield is ugly as ****, but I understand why you're using it and I admit there aren't any better options to counter pyromancies. Still, maybe a Dragon Crest Shield would be nice, though inferior, it's more stylish.

    The biggest drawback is the halberd, it's effective yes, but it doesn't fit my image of a tank Also I believe the most important part of tank is to have a shield, and that when you raise it you're invincible (technically), see Havel's Greatshield.


    It's a solid build anyway happy.

    PS: Ultra Greatswords are awesome too for "tanks", especially when fighting gankers (cause of great range),

    Tank in the sense that I can take hits like nothing and deal big amounts of damage. The build was not optimized for any STR weapons.

    I wasn't going for aesthetics at all this time around.

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    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.
    You fought me before? I had that setup on a 27/40 build before losing all my manatees in a drunken confusion so I switched to my faith build.
    A couple times, across 3 different PSN's: DarkFoals, YouHollowed, and Saturday-Saint.
    Oh yeah, I know you. you ended up being a lot better at PVP than I expected
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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by befowler on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:34 pm

    ChizFreak wrote:Use BIG weapons, because you have BALLS OF STEEL, you don't need no **** range with that halberd, you go use a Demon's Greathammer and crush everyone's skull as you poise their attacks and laugh at their tiny weapons and their ridiculous damage!

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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Nybbles on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:59 pm

    http://mmdks.com/uy6

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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:34 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:
    WyrmHero wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:Watching this video, I don't think I fought this version of the build. You had a Silver Knight Spear or something like that every time I fought you. No WoG, no DMB.

    @WyrmHero: 93 poise is nothing noteworthy, while 91 poise lets you resist 3 2H medium attacks. Good for katanas and spears and stuff.

    The poise sweetspots adds after 31. For 2 hits 62, for 3 hits 93.
    You might want to watch the video again. He clearly tanks 3 consecutive spear hits at about 4 minutes in. The break points are 31, 61, and 91.

    I did saw that, it's strange really. I could assume that he wasn't staggered at the third hit because he was already at the middle of an attack animation. But that's a poor theory, I'll run some tests!!!

    @Chiz certain weapons are very good for mid/fat roll, like the Halberd. You just spam R1 and tank hits.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by befowler on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:12 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=323071952425065616
    this what you mean chiz/befowler?

    That is the tankiest tank that ever tanked. Any way to fit iron flesh or replenishment on there?


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:14 pm

    Your poise meter starts going down after a hit; this could explain it. From the first to the 3rd hit, he recovered 2 pts or more of poise.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:20 pm

    https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=211504569262570774

    here you go befowler, you'll have to swap whatever talisman or flame out for the target shield once you've picked which buff you'll put on for each fight but i don't think that will be to big of an issue


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by LunarFog on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:23 pm

    Anyone remember my super tank?

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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:53 pm

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:Your poise meter starts going down after a hit; this could explain it. From the first to the 3rd hit, he recovered 2 pts or more of poise.

    Spears do 30 poise damage. So 1 hit = 30, 2 hits = 60, 3 hit = 90, etc. Very simple math. When your poise meter is filled, you get stunned.


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    Re: [Video] Fatroll PVP

    Post by AzureTear on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:58 pm

    Love it, the pure satisfactions of when I watched you kick all those ppl's butt simply tanking them non-chalantly was awesome.

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