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    Post by Rifter7 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:36 pm

    hey so.. i want to make a list of good weapon choices. i don't know much about the strength weapons tho so i'm hoping someone can hop in and help out, would appreciate it. lets try to avoid the "it's so fun to use but it actually kind of blows" weapons tho if we can..

    so yeah.

    daggers
    -bandit knife
    -dark silver trader

    straight swords
    -sunlight straight sword
    -balder side sword

    greatswords
    -claymore
    -flamberge
    -man-serpent greatsword
    -moonlight greatsword

    ultra greatswords
    -zweihander
    -demon great machete

    curved swords
    -falchion
    -gold tracer
    -painting guardian sword

    katanas
    -uchigatana
    -washing pole
    -iaito
    -chaos blade

    curved greatsword
    -murakumo
    -gravelord greatsword

    piercing swords
    -rapier
    -estoc
    -ricard's rapier
    -velka's rapier

    axes
    -gargoyle tail axe

    great axes
    -demon's greataxe
    -black knight greataxe

    hammers
    -reinforced club
    -blacksmith hammer

    great hammers
    -great club
    -large club

    fist weapons
    -dark hand (shield)

    spears
    -demon's spear
    -pike
    -dragonslayer's spear
    -silver knight spear
    -moonlight butterfly horn

    halberds
    -halberd
    -great scythe
    -lifehunt scythe

    whips
    -ahahahah

    bows
    -short bow
    -composite bow

    greatbows
    -well i listed whips.. so.

    crossbows
    -light crossbow
    -heavy crossbow
    -avelyn


    but yeah.. throw in your suggestions.. would help any lurkers and me choose my weapons for future builds.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:50 pm

    for whips, the notched whip has actually been getting some love lately,

    among the great axes... the demon great axe or the black knight gaxe, for great hammers, the great club, the large club and occasionally smoughs hammer

    greatbows; goughs bow

    also add the regular scythe to the halberds list

    oh and the hand axe is the most common axe in my experience followed by the golem axe,

    for hammers, the warpick has had a spike (pun intended) and the giant blacksmith hammer as well.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 pm

    Painting Guardian Sword

    So damn OP


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 pm

    I don't see why the Silver Knight SS didn't make the straight sword list or why the Velka's Rapier didn't make it into the rapier class - whoops Ricard's azz IMO.

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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:03 am

    Agreed. Velka's is superior.

    But not when compared to the Painting Guardian Sword

    So damn OP


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Yukon on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:08 am

    The Gargoyle Halberd is also a very popular (and powerful) choice, or maybe I am just getting summoned by people that want to duel against the weapon. I feel like I see it a lot in the past few months.

    A few people rocking Greataxe as well.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:28 am

    lol come on with the whip..

    demon great axe and black knight great axe.

    large/great club. smoughs.

    yeah.. pgs is pretty decent.

    man.. the only piercing sword imo that's worth anything is the regular rapier. its got a bonus to crit.
    at least ricards can obliterate players with a buffed r2 during a parry.
    whats velkas got over the regular rapier? a higher stat cost that magic builds dont want to spend, a flashy r2 and a little more damage that's not getting a bonus from parries crits and backstabs.
    rapier and estoc are the only ones worth going on the list.. prove me wrong.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:32 am

    Velka's does extra crit damage as well, it doesn't show it but it does do more damage when i BS with it than a ricard's rapier and sometimes a rapier even. It has a funky R2 that looks sweet and can hit twice.

    Painting Guardian Sword is OP, not decent, OP


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:33 am

    Velka's Rapier is very good choice for casters who have very low End and want to focus on sorcery.

    -Hammers: Reinforced Club has the highest AR and infinite stunlock

    -Axes: Hand Axe is the fastest one, good for Str builds backup

    -Great Hammers: Crystal Large Club has higher AR than Great Club, and less weight. Great Club if not going crystal.

    -Greataxes: Demon's Greataxe is top choice here, highest AR in game and longer than the Greataxe. However BKGA is also a good choice since it's faster and good moveset.

    -Greatswords: You forgot Obsidian Greatsword, very good for Vit builds and low SLs.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:33 am

    im not disagreeing on the pgs. its strong, but it lost its r2 and some range.

    still will tear someone a new ahole, so it should be there.

    just using a apple laptop atm, this things weird to use ill edit it when i get home.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:35 am

    why would you use a velkas when you can use an elemental or enchanted rapier.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:36 am

    Velka's does more damage for int builds than elemental, does occult whatever that does, requires twinkling titanite so it doesn't require a slab.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by RANT on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:38 am

    greataxe, dga are pretty awesome. reinforced club and smith club have infinite stunlock which makes them really good since that makes them viable, also the giant smith hammer. the bkugs and greatswords should be in the ugs category too since theyre really good too. large club is the best of all clubs because of its move set imo. DBF is the best fist weapons imo. and the reg whip is the best because of ar since theyre all pretty much the same length(havent see any vids of people testing though). reg axes the garg tail axe is the best imo because of ar and length and it has really good scaling for a dex or quality build.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:39 am

    Rifter7 wrote:why would you use a velkas when you can use an elemental or enchanted rapier.


    I think Velka's would be stronger at 45 Int.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:39 am

    http://mmdks.com/tvp

    rapiers req is like nothing, 12 i believe? velkas needs 16 dex.

    you want to spend 4 points you don't have on a int build to get a slight ar increase and a loss on crit bonus?


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:42 am

    FattyOfDoom wrote:Velka's does more damage for int builds than elemental, does occult whatever that does, requires twinkling titanite so it doesn't require a slab.

    This. Also, the reach on it puts the reg. Rapier to shame. You can actually fight with that sword, not just try to work for parries and BS.

    Like Fatty said, people underrate its damage hardcore, with the proper stats you'll never feel as though you're going without with your Velka's.

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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:43 am

    Think of the bigger picture.

    Dex/Int build, want a quick back up weapon that deals high crit damage, doesn't require a slab, fun to use AND viable, can poke through shield.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:43 am

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=276665376213675210

    Estoc is the most powerful one, but Velka's has higher difference between physical and magical AR, so it's stronger. Almost pure magic.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:43 am

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:
    FattyOfDoom wrote:Velka's does more damage for int builds than elemental, does occult whatever that does, requires twinkling titanite so it doesn't require a slab.

    This. Also, the reach on it puts the reg. Rapier to shame. You can actually fight with that sword, not just try to work for parries and BS.

    Like Fatty said, people underrate its damage hardcore, with the proper stats you'll never feel as though you're going without with your Velka's.

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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:44 am

    WyrmHero wrote:http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=276665376213675210

    Estoc is the most powerful one, but Velka's has higher difference between physical and magical AR, so it's stronger. Almost pure magic.

    Only problem is when they have Great Magic Barrier then silly


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:49 am

    Rifter7 wrote:http://mmdks.com/tvp

    rapiers req is like nothing, 12 i believe? velkas needs 16 dex.

    you want to spend 4 points you don't have on a int build to get a slight ar increase and a loss on crit bonus?

    The critical bonus should make rapier stronger yeah.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by Rifter7 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:50 am

    estoc is solid when its a +15. that things range is amazing and is a great choice if your not riding on turning the tide with a parry/crit/backstab

    the dex barely effects a velka. what matters is you have the 44 int. if you want to deal damage and have range you use a mlbh, which beats the velkas in every way possible with no dex 16 dex requirement.

    you want something for parries and backstabs you get a rapier. you keep your run r1 and you'll do more damage with backstabs than a velkas all for a lower skill point cost. the rapiers r2 is also viable imo too.. i think its really good compared to the velkas. its simple and its got range.


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:53 am

    Yes the MLBH does have less requirements, but the Velka's rapier does have a crit bonus, even though it says it's 100


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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:56 am

    But the MLBH and the Rapier are more specialized with regards to their attacks than Velka's. With the MLBH you get all the range but nothing with respect to criticals. Velka's gives you good range (not as much as the MLBH) and good criticals. With the Rapier you get great criticals, but pretty paltry range. With Velka's you still get a very good critical (not as good as the Rapier's) plus a much better moveset and range.

    It doesn't do what either of those two weapons specialize in as well as either of them but it's also with fewer weaknesses. It's more well-rounded. Plus, it's running R1 hits for double damage.

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    Re: top tier weapons in the meta atm.

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:57 am

    Good to know someone else knows the beauty of the Velka's Rapier Pendant silly


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