Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

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    Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:17 pm

    From realized that, had Ornstein been in Oolacile, the player's innate desire to kill everything out of curiosity would have lead us to try and kill him in the past as well. This would have broken the stable time loop and created a temporal paradox. Thus, in order for Ornstein to still be alive in the present, he couldn't have encountered us in the past.

    The only reason Ornstein wasn't in Oolacile, was to keep you away from him. From knows that deep down, you're all blood thirsty killers! silly


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by GrinTwist on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:20 pm

    It would have been nice to at least hear what his voice sounded like, but yeah I probably would have killed him. lol

    I don't know where you could actually interact with him though, maybe just as a summon for Kalameet? Shrug


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:23 pm

    That would have actually been a nice chance to see the "dragon slayer" in action. Now I'm sad that it didn't happen sad


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:23 pm

    I respectfully disagree. If FROM wanted him in the DLC they would have made him invincible! He would be able to teleport across the map to hit you then teleport away. His lightning would strike you from miles away and incinerate everything round you! Be glad he's spent a millennium in anor londo with his skills wasting away to nothing so you could beat him!


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:26 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:I respectfully disagree. If FROM wanted him in the DLC they would have made him invincible! He would be able to teleport across the map to hit you then teleport away. His lightning would strike you from miles away and incinerate everything round you! Be glad he's spent a millennium in anor londo with his skills wasting away to nothing so you could beat him!

    If he could do that, then why didn't he bring down Kalameet himself? If I remember right, the dlc only takes place 400 years ago or so.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by GrinTwist on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:29 pm

    That's why I say have him as a summon while you fight Kalameet! You could have his sign right before the ladder that leads down to the fight. Then once you beat the game and go on to NG+ maybe we could have a change of cutscenes like Sif.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:32 pm

    Maybe he just wasn't IN Oolacile? I'm not so good with lore, but isn't it his duty to protect anor londo and the princess?

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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Aznul on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:34 pm

    Having him available to summon for kalameet would be awesome. Especially considering that when I fought kalameet, nobody wanted to throw down their signs, so I resigned myself to skipping the tail in NG and getting it in NG+ and killed that smug bastard with sorcery.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by hey its andres on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:41 pm

    Maybe he was busy getting cuddly between Gwynevere's cushions? In all seriousness though, it would have been awesome to see him in the dlc. I really wish you could summon three people so you could have each knight on a team. It's like the freaking Justice League of Dark Souls.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:49 pm

    I no longer remember I whereI got 400 from, all I know is that it happened sometime after Gwyn linked the fire. That was 1000 years ago right?

    Lunar: Yeah, I get the feeling that that's all he's done since Gwyn left.

    Everyone else: The more I think about it, the more I wish he was available for the fight sad



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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Argetlam350 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:10 am

    Sloth9230 wrote:I no longer remember I whereI got 400 from, all I know is that it happened sometime after Gwyn linked the fire. That was 1000 years ago right?

    Lunar: Yeah, I get the feeling that that's all he's done since Gwyn left.

    Everyone else: The more I think about it, the more I wish he was available for the fight sad


    I'm pretty sure DLC takes place 400 years before the original game. It even says it the DLC description (I'm 90% sure) and there were several old interviews that had Miyazaki say how long before the events of the DLC takes place before the original game which was always around 400 years before the game.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by hey its andres on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:20 am

    Has anyone every wondered about the significance of the number 4 in the series? 4 Lords, 4 Kings, Gwyn's 4 Knights...


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:27 am

    hey its andres wrote:Has anyone every wondered about the significance of the number 4 in the series? 4 Lords, 4 Kings, Gwyn's 4 Knights...

    4 blacksmiths(Vamos, giant, Andre, Rickert)

    4 Dragon Weapons (Drake sword, Dragon greatsword, Dragon Greataxe, Obsidian sword)

    4 damage types (Physical, Lightning, fire, magic)

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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:27 am

    4 = death lol

    Lunar: dragon bone fist, moonlight greatsword, pricellas dagger, dragon tooth?


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:33 am

    Sloth9230 wrote:4 = death lol

    Lunar: dragon bone fist, moonlight greatsword, pricellas dagger, dragon tooth?

    I'ma have to check the dragon bone fist. Since it came from the iron golem i assumed it got it's name because it was intended to punch dragon bones.

    Technically priscilla is half dragon so she doesn't really count...

    moonlight greatsword is....

    and the dragon tooth....

    wellshit. Shrug

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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:44 am

    The core itself came is made from a dragon's bone, hence the name.


    Argetlam: Do you remember where you saw that? cause I remember the number 400 but don't remember from where -_-


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:50 am

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain

    Found a source, turns out it's 300 years before the main game. Not sure why I kept remembering 400... probably those stupid 4 kings :evil:


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by hey its andres on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:07 am

    Hahaha oh well it was a valiant effort.

    Anyways back to Ornsteing. So while his fellow knights were fighting the abyss and, presumably, dying in their battle he was slammin the princess of sunlight for sum 400 years or so? Ornstein sounds likes my kind of man.

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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:31 am

    Kind of hard to "slam" an illusion... silly


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Carphil on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:44 am

    I loved that Pic big grin


    It makes perfectly sense. But what I don't get it is why Ciaran and Gough went to Oolice as well


    I mean, Artorias is the only one who "can" fight the abyss


    I already forgot everything that Gough' says to you, and the only reason Ciaran followed Artorias its because she was in love with him.


    I know that someone already posted this on the archives but I'm lazy :bas:


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by GrinTwist on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:46 am

    He's got a point every time Ornstein would try to slam Gwynevere she would just disappear. Talk about playing hard to get.
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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by densetsushun on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 am

    hey its andres wrote:[url=http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=8&u=17983513][/url

    Haha, awesome pic big grin

    Carphil wrote:It makes perfectly sense. But what I don't get it is why Ciaran and Gough went to Oolice as well


    I mean, Artorias is the only one who "can" fight the abyss


    I already forgot everything that Gough' says to you, and the only reason Ciaran followed Artorias its because she was in love with him.


    I know that someone already posted this on the archives but I'm lazy :bas:
    Gough being in Oolacile is just weird, it seems most likely he imprisoned himself to seek enlightenment given he still has his dragonslayer bow, but you have to wonder why his key was outside...

    Mass speculation:
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    I think Ciaran went to Oolacile with Artorias despite not being able to tread the Abyss, perhaps she waited for his return but he ended up succumbing to the Abyss. Maybe she was still around out of her love for him and decided to wait for someone to put him out of his misery.
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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:40 pm

    Now that you mention it, isn't the number 4 taboo in some asian cultures? Like how superstitious people here don't like the number 13, for them it's 4.

    But on topic: can't you not go to Oolacile until after you've fought O&S anyways? Wouldn't cause a paradox if you've already killed him in your time, then go kill him in the past.


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    Re: Why Ornstein Isn't In The DLC

    Post by Sloth9230 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:44 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:Now that you mention it, isn't the number 4 taboo in some asian cultures? Like how superstitious people here don't like the number 13, for them it's 4.

    But on topic: can't you not go to Oolacile until after you've fought O&S anyways? Wouldn't cause a paradox if you've already killed him in your time, then go kill him in the past.

    Right but if you kill him in the past, then he wouldn't have been alive in the future. Thus you would not have fought him if he was already dead. It's possible that you would still have fought S to get the Lord Vessel though.


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    Post by densetsushun on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:40 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:Now that you mention it, isn't the number 4 taboo in some asian cultures? Like how superstitious people here don't like the number 13, for them it's 4.
    Totally, 4 is in (at least Japanese or Chinese) a lot of Asian cultures the unlucky number, mostly because they sound similar to the word "death". Just like there's no row 13 in airplanes/theaters or floor 13 in buildings, the 4th floor doesn't exist in Asian buildings.

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