are claws any good?

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    are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:52 am

    pretty much wanna know if claws are any good, never used em and was curious on them.
    is the scaling any good or is elemental the way to go or are they just bad altogether?
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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by RANT on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:30 pm

    Theyre good, the rolling r1 is tricky to parry. Damage is ok but if you're more of a swashbuckler and don't mind long fights you'll like them, he few people I've fought that used them only fished for a bs, oo bad.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:36 pm

    what are the pro's and cons? is the scaling worth it or is elemental better?
    is it better to duel wield or have a shield?
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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by RANT on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:43 pm

    duel wielding looks cool and you can parry with them, if you dodge for the most part you should duel wield. i would go +15 since it scales well with dex(B or A i think), the only cons it has imo iss crappy range and ok danage, the moveset is pretty awesome.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by FinPeku on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:45 pm

    They're ok with a dex build. Don't make them elemental. Dual wielding the same weapon is practically never beneficial but it looks cool. Claws have fast parry animation so they're not bad in off-hand. I mainly use them for looks.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    Its almost always better to have a shield available. The heater shield comes to mind.

    Pro: bleed, buffable, tough to parry

    Con: short, bleed dodge, no stun, roll r1 gets obvious very quickly so people will trade with you and they'll almost always win the trade if they succeed.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:52 pm

    i think ill make a low lvl build to try em out range usually isn't an issue for me but just in case ill have a backup weapon, something like this?


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by FinPeku on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:55 pm

    Just make a basic SL 100 dex build and use claws. IF you don't like them, use any other dex weapon.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:58 pm

    FinPeku wrote:Just make a basic SL 100 dex build and use claws. IF you don't like them, use any other dex weapon.
    could do that but i hate making basic builds sad
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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:07 pm

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=165118390349685546

    i call it the fat talon, high hp high mobility 55 poise and some sorcery and pyro


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by Yukon on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:26 pm

    http://mmdks.com/sgf

    If you do something like this you'll have pretty much the same build and you can switch in the red tear stone at low health, rather than wasting the slot on it for the whole fight. But you'll lose movement... I dunno just a suggestion if you want to try out regular.

    I think you'll get more damage output from the +15 normal weapons just because of split damage and resistance. I left the chaos claw there so you can experiment with that if you want, but their AR's are pretty tight. I'm not really a build pro though, so probably anyone else in this are can give you a better make than I just did haha.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:44 pm

    Yukon wrote:http://mmdks.com/sgf

    If you do something like this you'll have pretty much the same build and you can switch in the red tear stone at low health, rather than wasting the slot on it for the whole fight. But you'll lose movement... I dunno just a suggestion if you want to try out regular.

    I think you'll get more damage output from the +15 normal weapons just because of split damage and resistance. I left the chaos claw there so you can experiment with that if you want, but their AR's are pretty tight. I'm not really a build pro though, so probably anyone else in this are can give you a better make than I just did haha.
    i like it i think ill try that 1
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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by ChillerHR on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:00 pm

    ...yes it looks nice, but no poise no shield build...you better be ninja flippin, or parrying, without mistake because your waepons have short reach, also no range magic at all hance no att slots...why? Have some Avelyn or god bow close...
    Is lvl cap 60?
    Build a little more on that idea...


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:03 pm

    ya i wanted to be lvl 60


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by befowler on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:28 pm

    I've only used claws a little while but they are fun. They get A scaling in dex at +15, and bleed -- at least in theory, the buildup seems very slow. Stamina cost is low with fairly quick slash speeds so with a buff they can be decent.

    You can also get a roughly 20 point damage bump if you pair them with thorn gauntlets, as they count as fist weapons. This combined with thorn chip damage can make a difference particularly if you face low poise opponents and can abuse them with your double rolling R1 attacks.

    I horsed around with an un-optimized claw build in the recent Sen's pvp event, you can see some of it at around 1:40:00 here:

    http://www.twitch.tv/soulswikiofficial/b/356510766


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by ChillerHR on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:32 pm

    Well don't let me rain on your parade, I guess I'm judging on my skill level, I wouldn't get far with that build...I like more solid armor, 50+ poise, I like spears, and at least Great Combustion or Black Flame in one hand...but that build with capable player could be as good as any...it's about player...not build.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by drmuto on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:28 pm

    just tested it out a lil bit +15 is the way to go by far with these, also found out duel wielding aint that great ill probably use gcs or target


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by Avenger649 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:36 pm

    I tried the claws for a while and I just hated them, They do an incredibly small amount of damage and while they cause bleed, there are much better weapons out there in my opinion.
    However, perhaps it is just that I did not use them for lone enough to become truly effective with them but I am not sure.
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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by ClassicBlaze on Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:52 pm

    I tried them once and gotta say...they aint that great...so much better weapons out there, but at least they look cool when dual wielded, and thats what trully matters, so, as long as you enjoy its moveset you cant go wrong.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by bloodpixel on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:39 pm

    They're not the greatest. It's regular attacks are just bad. It's damage output isn't great either. It's only saving grace is the rolling r1 and to a skilled player they can predict then parry it.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by Rifter7 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:35 am

    lolno.

    theyre fun for pve or doing casual duels tho.


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    Re: are claws any good?

    Post by lonewolf on Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:48 am

    i use the unarmed dragonbody so i could easily go to the claws and like them.
    they have bleed fast and fun to use


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