Gankers. Yay or Nay?

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    Do you dislike gankers?

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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Carphil on Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:50 pm

    cloudyeki wrote:Let's just stop and say we did.

    This sort of thread pops up atleast once a month, and it usually ends with a mod coming in to break up a would be flame war. If you need proof, do a lil surfing and look in all the locked threads in this and the Pvp section.

    Gankers, honor, fair play, and anything of the sort will usually end badly.

    I agree that these threads normally get out of control, but this one won't cause any trouble because the guy made a poll and anyone can vote anonimously, and hes did not stated his opinion right away and said: "DO you agree? If yes, I love you. IF not, Go away"


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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Samurainova on Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:56 pm

    Carphil wrote:
    cloudyeki wrote:Let's just stop and say we did.

    This sort of thread pops up atleast once a month, and it usually ends with a mod coming in to break up a would be flame war. If you need proof, do a lil surfing and look in all the locked threads in this and the Pvp section.

    Gankers, honor, fair play, and anything of the sort will usually end badly.

    I agree that these threads normally get out of control, but this one won't cause any trouble because the guy made a poll and anyone can vote anonimously, and hes did not stated his opinion right away and said: "DO you agree? If yes, I love you. IF not, Go away"


    Today, gankers make me better at PVP. A lot.

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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Aznul on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:26 pm

    I would have to say I am neutral on this as a whole. Personally I don't pvp much, I mostly play co-op, and I am rarely invaded, so I am only really dealing with invaders while helping a host. While ganking can certainly be a no-fun experience for the invader, it could also be considered an at least moderately legitimate way for the host to farm for souls and/or humanity. Not to mention that the phantoms benefit as well.

    I have been on both sides of "ganking". When I first started playing online I was already at least lvl 100 and had hardly done any pvp. I lost most of the time, so I shifted to co-op. I put down a summon sign by the O&S fog gate hoping to help hosts with the fight, and got a few people through it. Then someone summoned me for ganking in dark anor londo. I tried it out and thought it was great at first, since from my perspective I was finally winning some fights. Until the first person to invade me ended up being one of the "victims of ganking" and told me they disapproved of me starting to gank. At the time I honestly didn't know that what i was doing was what people on the forums called ganking.

    Personally I say it is really up to the host, when I play co-op, I don't seek out ganking, I'm looking to help someone get farther in the game, but an opportunity is still an opportunity, so I won't ditch a host just because they are being "cheap".

    Mostly though, it ends up just being that a red phantom shows up shortly before the boss fog gate, and me and another phantom end up helping the host dispatch them. Though I don't think it is considered "ganking" if you are just fending off an invader on the way to the boss.

    It isn't really good or bad. From an invader's perspective it might seem unfair, but really you just need to use different tactics. I have seen plenty of invaders run into a narrow hallway and drop a fire tempest/firestorm, one-shotting anyone who decided to follow too close (I have done this too, mostly in anor londo). But from the host and phantom's perspectives, they are farming in a way that keeps things from getting repetetive.

    It all depends on perspective, attitude, and skill. I have seen both, have moderate/low skill (moderate pve, low pvp), and don't really see it as good or bad.


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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Nightmare Moon on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:39 pm

    Gankers are nothing more than players that cant handle a fight on their own. Nothing more than cowards.
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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Samurainova on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:54 pm

    Nightmare Moon wrote:Gankers are nothing more than players that cant handle a fight on their own. Nothing more than cowards.

    Their was a time in which i felt the same as you did. I believe it depends a little bit, many new players do not know it is wrong, so i send a nice message saying it is wrong, and sometimes they were unaware and stop. However, unfortuantely most are aware of it and yes, i believe those people are cowards if its anywhere other than the forest. Thank you so much for your opinion, i appreciate your support happy
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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Samurainova on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:56 pm

    Aznul wrote:I would have to say I am neutral on this as a whole. Personally I don't pvp much, I mostly play co-op, and I am rarely invaded, so I am only really dealing with invaders while helping a host. While ganking can certainly be a no-fun experience for the invader, it could also be considered an at least moderately legitimate way for the host to farm for souls and/or humanity. Not to mention that the phantoms benefit as well.

    I have been on both sides of "ganking". When I first started playing online I was already at least lvl 100 and had hardly done any pvp. I lost most of the time, so I shifted to co-op. I put down a summon sign by the O&S fog gate hoping to help hosts with the fight, and got a few people through it. Then someone summoned me for ganking in dark anor londo. I tried it out and thought it was great at first, since from my perspective I was finally winning some fights. Until the first person to invade me ended up being one of the "victims of ganking" and told me they disapproved of me starting to gank. At the time I honestly didn't know that what i was doing was what people on the forums called ganking.

    Personally I say it is really up to the host, when I play co-op, I don't seek out ganking, I'm looking to help someone get farther in the game, but an opportunity is still an opportunity, so I won't ditch a host just because they are being "cheap".

    Mostly though, it ends up just being that a red phantom shows up shortly before the boss fog gate, and me and another phantom end up helping the host dispatch them. Though I don't think it is considered "ganking" if you are just fending off an invader on the way to the boss.

    It isn't really good or bad. From an invader's perspective it might seem unfair, but really you just need to use different tactics. I have seen plenty of invaders run into a narrow hallway and drop a fire tempest/firestorm, one-shotting anyone who decided to follow too close (I have done this too, mostly in anor londo). But from the host and phantom's perspectives, they are farming in a way that keeps things from getting repetetive.

    It all depends on perspective, attitude, and skill. I have seen both, have moderate/low skill (moderate pve, low pvp), and don't really see it as good or bad.

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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:08 am

    I strongly dislike ganking.

    However, it all falls down to what one considers to be ganking.

    If the host has one, or two phantoms and camp at invader spawn point, then they are ganking to me. That, I hate quite a lot.

    But if I meet them somewhere else in the area, then they were probably just questing and I interrupted them, so even if they gang bang me, I won't mind.

    The above doesn't apply for the Forest.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:09 am

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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by largestember on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:47 am

    I meet a ton of gankers in forest but I don't mind them because as an invader, you've got to be prepared.
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    Post by Odinbear on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:55 am

    GAnkers is such a teenage term. Probably coined by someone who don't like being bested.


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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by moomootv on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:14 am

    Well if some1 has a phanton and they both fight to portect the host i can understand that but 2 or 3 people standing at your spawn spamming r1 and chuging sunny-D is sad. if they arent spawn camping then 2v1 is fine invaders have the enviorment to use instead I mad friends with the plantmen and hydra in the forest. But do you know whats crazy some people that do say 2v1 or 3v1 see it as fair killed this guy with the plantmen and my **** your spin ring and he sent me a mesg saying "what the hell we both bowed thought we were dueling"


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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19 am

    moomootv wrote:"what the hell we both bowed thought we were dueling"
    Just a technical question.
    How is 2v1 duelling?
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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Ashran on Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 pm

    I hate when the host cant fight me and just runs and summon 1 or 2 phantoms. Srsly i got very pissed off yesterday in the forest.


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    Re: Gankers. Yay or Nay?

    Post by Samurainova on Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:32 pm

    [quote="Ashran"]I hate when the host cant fight me and just runs and summon 1 or 2 phantoms. Srsly i got very pissed off yesterday in the forest.[/quote

    You make a vilid point. Like when your fighting two people and you kill the phantom, and then he runs to summon another, and just keeps strafing around. Makes me a little mad too, but I know if I get so mad I lose my edge it will lead to my downfall, so always keep a clear head and you shall prevail, even if you have to put that phantom down three times happy thanks for your input happy

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