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    Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:11 pm

    Hey guys, I've noticed a lot of argument and debate over this topic, and I must say its a very interesting one. Who is the REAL winner in a duel. The one who wins but does whatever it takes to achieve it? The player who can say good game even in pure defeat? And who is the winner in a fight when one guys fights naked and the other wears armor? I mean obviously being naked isn't easy, but getting a fully armored giant with more health to near death shows something right? Or do you feel being naked was the players choice, and that he should accept the repurcussions of his decisions? But does that mean he should wear full giants and raise his stats as well? And stoop to the same level? Also is roleplaying an excuse to be a douche? Just because I'm a pure siegmeyer build I should be able to fish backstabs as much as I want? Please voice your opinion happy
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:15 pm

    Crap I mispelled pychological -.-

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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:21 pm

    your kidding right? the one who wins wins

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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Walter_White on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:21 pm

    the surviver is the winner - no question

    btw: if i see someone naked i watch my steps - i also have a fastroller build with ultragreatsword and greatshield, pants only for looking good. Could be a very dangerous player if he thinks, that he don't need armor....


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:23 pm

    LunarFog wrote:your kidding right? the one who wins wins

    No sir. Think of it this way, do gankers every achieve true victory, true triumph? And are they the REAL winners? And does a tranquil walk of peace wotg spammer achieve true victory? Thanks for ur inpput happy
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by The Letter X on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:32 pm

    I believe whoever wins, wins. I don't care if I'm in a 3v1 fight against ninja flipping, havels wearing hackers. If I die, then they won. Did they display any show of skill? Absolutely not, but they killed me, therefore I believe they won. It only makes me want to get good enough to overcome my handicaps to beat them later.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:37 pm

    The Letter X wrote:I believe whoever wins, wins. I don't care if I'm in a 3v1 fight against ninja flipping, havels wearing hackers. If I die, then they won. Did they display any show of skill? Absolutely not, but they killed me, therefore I believe they won. It only makes me want to get good enough to overcome my handicaps to beat them later.

    Very interesting! But did you know many players purposefully put on handicaps in the event to use those handicaps as a scapegoat for losing. Like I quote " I only lost because I wasn't giving my all. I fight me with my real gear and ill kick your a&*" and I say " sure by all means id love to fight your main build" and then receive no response. I used to think these people were just busy with real life things but it happens much to often for that. Thanks for your input though I really appreciate your perspective big grin
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Ashran on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:39 pm

    The survivors may win, but the real winners are who fight against great enemies and endure. They may die, but never lose.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by The Letter X on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:39 pm

    Samurainova wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:I believe whoever wins, wins. I don't care if I'm in a 3v1 fight against ninja flipping, havels wearing hackers. If I die, then they won. Did they display any show of skill? Absolutely not, but they killed me, therefore I believe they won. It only makes me want to get good enough to overcome my handicaps to beat them later.

    Very interesting! But did you know many players purposefully put on handicaps in the event to use those handicaps as a scapegoat for losing. Like I quote " I only lost because I wasn't giving my all. I fight me with my real gear and ill kick your a&*" and I say " sure by all means id love to fight your main build" and then receive no response. I used to think these people were just busy with real life things but it happens much to often for that. Thanks for your input though I really appreciate your perspective big grin

    Yes, I know people do that sadly. I also believe people need to put up with the handicaps they give themselves. There should be no complaining, unless it is to yourself to fight better.

    Thanks, I really enjoy your threads as well.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:40 pm

    Walter_White wrote:the surviver is the winner - no question

    btw: if i see someone naked i watch my steps - i also have a fastroller build with ultragreatsword and greatshield, pants only for looking good. Could be a very dangerous player if he thinks, that he don't need armor....

    Very coolA I also think the true winner is the victor no questions asked. But I also believe that achieving victory without stooping to the same level shows that you are FAR superior in skill. But at the same time I believe that true winners are those who never give up. Its rather tricky in debate lol But thanks for posting. Itx very appreciated happy

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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:43 pm

    The Letter X wrote:
    Samurainova wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:I believe whoever wins, wins. I don't care if I'm in a 3v1 fight against ninja flipping, havels wearing hackers. If I die, then they won. Did they display any show of skill? Absolutely not, but they killed me, therefore I believe they won. It only makes me want to get good enough to overcome my handicaps to beat them later.

    Very interesting! But did you know many players purposefully put on handicaps in the event to use those handicaps as a scapegoat for losing. Like I quote " I only lost because I wasn't giving my all. I fight me with my real gear and ill kick your a&*" and I say " sure by all means id love to fight your main build" and then receive no response. I used to think these people were just busy with real life things but it happens much to often for that. Thanks for your input though I really appreciate your perspective big grin

    Yes, I know people do that sadly. I also believe people need to put up with the handicaps they give themselves. There should be no complaining, unless it is to yourself to fight better.

    Thanks, I really enjoy your threads as well.

    Thank you. And its So debateable because while its disrespectful in a sense not to give every player your all, you also won't be able to progress without putting on handicaps to see how low you can go while achieving victory. But in the end I believe the handicaps were the players choice to get better. If you died you lost. Your input is very appreciated letter I hope you know that because all of these perspectives from plaayer really broadens my own. Is exilerating happy
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm

    Ashran wrote:The survivors may win, but the real winners are who fight against great enemies and endure. They may die, but never lose.

    But if you dont lose do you win. Is it a draw, or do you win on the inside? So tricky it is in my head lol thanks for your input though I appreciate it happy
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by SlakeMoth on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:44 pm

    Samurainova wrote:Crap I mispelled pychological -.-

    You still have. It's 'psychological'. big grin
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:47 pm

    SlakeMoth wrote:
    Samurainova wrote:Crap I mispelled pychological -.-

    You still have. It's 'psychological'. big grin

    Lol thank god my spelling tests were all multiple choice XD
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:48 pm

    Obviously, the guy who leaves a lasting impression.

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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by xSomax on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

    at the end of the day, the one who wins is the one with the sense of accomplishment. this can be gained in any number of ways, learning a new technique, helping a new player, and as much as i hate to admit it, griefing them as well. you can beat someone down from now till sunday, but if they feel they gained something, they haven't lost. basically, if you do not believe you lost, then you have not truly lost.

    in a strictly PvP scenario though, the one who wins is none of those, but rather, the one better able to outwit their opponent.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:33 pm

    Samurainova wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:I believe whoever wins, wins. I don't care if I'm in a 3v1 fight against ninja flipping, havels wearing hackers. If I die, then they won. Did they display any show of skill? Absolutely not, but they killed me, therefore I believe they won. It only makes me want to get good enough to overcome my handicaps to beat them later.

    Very interesting! But did you know many players purposefully put on handicaps in the event to use those handicaps as a scapegoat for losing. Like I quote " I only lost because I wasn't giving my all. I fight me with my real gear and ill kick your a&*" and I say " sure by all means id love to fight your main build" and then receive no response. I used to think these people were just busy with real life things but it happens much to often for that. Thanks for your input though I really appreciate your perspective big grin

    I use a handicap on occasion but I use it to challenge myself and not as a scapegoat for losing.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Kirk-Barb on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:47 pm

    The winner is the one who has the most fun. Usually it's the one left standing... but not always.

    Case in point: Early in my playing I was backstabbed over 20 times with a bare fist by my opponent before I finally killed him. I did not feel much like a winner at that moment. 🇳🇴
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by GrinTwist on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:31 pm

    I'd honestly think it would depend. If it's a match that was supposed to abide by some sort of rule(s) of honor and one of them breaks it, well they didn't really win did they?

    In any other type of situation whoever won has won. It doesn't matter if the invader was honorable or the host was just ganking. Unless you can beat the other your the winner.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Ashran on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:34 pm

    If we are talking about honorable fights, theres no loser. Both of the fighters wins, their honor is intact.


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    Post by Odinbear on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:16 pm

    A win is a win. If you want nice go play Mario.


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    Post by Odinbear on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:19 pm

    Think about it this way, in a real duel, you get stabbed you die, he wins. Black and white. Doesn't matter if at that point in your eyes he cheated or was not honorable.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:22 pm

    ^. The worth of the win is a different matter entirely, but unless they broke PRESET terms of engagement then the winner is the person not dead when the dust settles.


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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by aprilmanha on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:05 pm

    The Nicest person wins, always, because they are the better person and they win at life. Which is all that matters.
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    Re: Phchological warfare

    Post by Samurainova on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 pm

    [quote="Odinbear"]Think about it this way, in a real duel, you get stabbed you die, he wins. Black and white. Doesn't matter if at that point in your eyes he cheated or was not honorable.[/q

    I definately see where you are coming from. Very good point of view thank you for your input happy

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