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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by Shkar on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:48 pm

    Buggy Virus wrote:Just add a coolness stat.

    "And lo, the new stat was born. And Swag was the name given to it, and Swag was to be it's name..."


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:29 am

    what if it boosted stamina regen? reneame it vigor and make it increase stamina regen rates up to 40 points, where it would give the same level of bonus as the cloranthy ring and the grasscrest shield combined.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by Ashran on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:39 pm

    Luck. Remove RES and introduce Luck. It will be off while PVP, making it only PVE useful. Like more rare loot, random events and maybe new dialogue.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by DE5PA1R on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:48 pm

    I say remove it or add to poise in the same way Attunement adds slots. Not much - 4 Poise at Res 16 - but it's there. I'm borrowing this idea from someplace else.

    Remember that Res did actually have a small amount of impact in DkS. It's one of the several reasons Pyros, Wanderers and Bandits are the most common starting classes. Naturally, if you're building for PvP you always want to hit your goal at the lowest level possible, but if there's a tie you go with the class with the highest Res. So it wasn't completely unused, it's just that it was confined to the very beginning of the game.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by dancash1808 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:58 pm

    FattyOfDoom wrote:Don't forget the massive dragon with a mouth in where his underbelly is.

    I love that you picked on this for a lack of realism, rather than you know. DRAGON.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:35 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:
    FattyOfDoom wrote:Don't forget the massive dragon with a mouth in where his underbelly is.

    I love that you picked on this for a lack of realism, rather than you know. DRAGON.

    I was gonna point that out.. until i realised i'd look like a horrendously pedantic bastard silly


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:05 pm

    Demon souls had a useless stat. Dark Souls had a useless stat. Dark souls 2 is going to have a different useless stat more than likely

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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by DE5PA1R on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:44 pm

    LunarFog wrote:Demon souls had a useless stat.

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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

    Bring back LUCK!


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by aceluby on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:04 pm

    LunarFog wrote:Demon souls had a useless stat. Dark Souls had a useless stat. Dark souls 2 is going to have a different useless stat more than likely

    Which stat was 'useless' in demon's souls? IIRC, people had viable PvP builds and PvE builds around every stat...


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:05 pm

    No way RES should increase Poise, NO WAY. That's would make it OP. IMO the should completely remove Resistance and add a new stat (not luck) that scaled a new type of weapon.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by steveswede on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:16 pm

    This is how useful luck was.

    http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/stat-luck

    Personally if you want this back then you're not really adding anything to making builds more varied. It only scaled with one weapon how rubbish is that.
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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:30 pm

    I'd like new type of magic instead of RES. People have been talking about necromancy and I think it would be cool


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by LunarFog on Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:06 am

    aceluby wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:Demon souls had a useless stat. Dark Souls had a useless stat. Dark souls 2 is going to have a different useless stat more than likely

    Which stat was 'useless' in demon's souls? IIRC, people had viable PvP builds and PvE builds around every stat...
    Show me ONE build that was a viable PvP or PvE build mainly on the luck stat.

    Considering that it didn't increase any stat at all, ever adding any points into luck put you at a disadvantage.

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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by LunarFog on Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:07 am

    DE5PA1R wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:Demon souls had a useless stat.

    ?
    Luck.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by messremb on Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:24 pm

    I like the poise ideas talked about throughout this thread. Trade offense for defense? Do whatcha gotta do in picking your poison (pun intended)! I'd like to see maybe resistance factoring into some scaling for various weapons or armor, but i honestly have zero clue on how that could be pulled off, or even logical in the overall scheme of things really. Maybe it could have worked with some unique weapons in this past game, like the Lifehunt Scythe, as it applies bleed to you as well as the opponent, so RES could have possibly been an interesting stat to apply a scale to with that one? IDK, really. No good ideas here from me! Doh!
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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by DE5PA1R on Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:55 pm

    LunarFog wrote:Show me ONE build that was a viable PvP or PvE build mainly on the luck stat.

    Blueblood Sword. Extremely viable.


    steveswede wrote:This is how useful luck was.

    http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/stat-luck

    Personally if you want this back then you're not really adding anything to making builds more varied. It only scaled with one weapon how rubbish is that.

    You're adding 2 fairly well-balanced builds (Straight Luck BBS/Light Weapon BBS). That makes builds more varied. X+2 = more than X.


    ChizFreak wrote:No way RES should increase Poise, NO WAY. That's would make it OP. IMO the should completely remove Resistance and add a new stat (not luck) that scaled a new type of weapon.

    Yup, 3-5 Poise is way OP. You're 100% right.
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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:33 pm

    DE5PA1R wrote:
    steveswede wrote:This is how useful luck was.

    http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/stat-luck

    Personally if you want this back then you're not really adding anything to making builds more varied. It only scaled with one weapon how rubbish is that.

    You're adding 2 fairly well-balanced builds (Straight Luck BBS/Light Weapon BBS). That makes builds more varied. X+2 = more than X.

    My agility build idea is more varied and adds more depth to the combat system than luck could ever dream off. Yet there seem to be an alarming amount of people who think the luck upgrade system would be amazing even though it's just another physical weapon upgrade system like strength and dex. I get people's love for nostalgia but putting luck back in doesn't add anything revolutionary to the upgrade system.
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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by DE5PA1R on Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:48 pm

    Not mutually exclusive.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by vereornox on Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:03 am

    Remove RES and add a stat for pyromancies
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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by Buggy Virus on Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:41 am

    vereornox wrote:Remove RES and add a stat for pyromancies

    Remove RES and add a stat for fat roll.


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    Re: The future of RES...

    Post by Slarg232 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:59 pm

    Give Res that damage reduction like what it's supposed to have, for both PVP and PVE. Have it apply to all damage sources given, but naturally increase the damage elementals do a tiny bit for compensation.


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