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    Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:51 am

    I use a Shotel +15 w/ DMB on my Lautrec build. I love the unblockable strong attack but i'm constantly out ranged. Any advice?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:19 am

    Run up to your opponent, swing it, and hope they don't parry? It plays the same as the other curved swords in general, poise through your opponent's counterattack if you're not fast rolling.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Rifter7 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:20 am

    press r1 faster.

    seriously tho, r1 spam unlocked and wander around them as they stand up from wakeup. you can sometimes catch them.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:22 am

    Its hard to poise through. I wear the Set of Favor w/ the Ring of Favor as well as Ring of the Firstborn. I have 50 faith, SL 120. Should I swap the Ring of Firstborn for the Wolf Ring?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Ashran on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:23 am

    Wait for casting/using items and hit till death.
    Or just approach - kick - hit x4 - roll back - repeat


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:24 am

    It's not a good idea to use Shotel exclusively, because it is easy to outrange, outrun and parry. It's a great suprise weapon and works wonders against turtles, but it's not meant to be your main offensive weapon.

    I'd advise to start using something else with the Shotel, or use TWoP, so your opponents can't run away, but long weapons and parry capable opponents will still trash you.

    Lastly, don't use it's R2 too much. Most players expect R2 spam if they see a Shotel, so try using R1s instead and mix them together.

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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:27 am

    Ashran wrote:Wait for casting/using items and hit till death.
    Or just approach - kick - hit x4 - roll back - repeat
    you cant kick with the shotel, its a curved sword


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by raecor14 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:34 am

    when useing curved swords go crazy! you are out ranged and out damaged. just run in, and go crazy UNLESS they are tanking, then run it hit, run out.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:40 am

    Any legit use for the slash-backflip/"kick animation" with curved sword?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:49 am

    Not really, you can do it as the last hit of a combo if you don't want to end your stunlock in front of the enemy with no stamina. It's weak and can be parried though, not really viable.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:26 am

    That is my main weapon in my SL 6 invasion toon. I'm going up against an average of 33 SL. I run up and go crazy. If they try to parry, then I'll vary my R2 timing a little. If they parry spam, then I'll casually walk behind them and BS them.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Kirk-Barb on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:19 pm

    I like the shotel. I use it as a backup weapon to my Balder's Side Sword with my lvl 22 Sunbro. It is also great to use when invading into small areas where there isn't a lot of room to manuever like the Catacombs and Tomb of Giants.
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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:32 pm

    Kirk-Barb wrote:I like the shotel. I use it as a backup weapon to my Balder's Side Sword with my lvl 22 Sunbro. It is also great to use when invading into small areas where there isn't a lot of room to manuever like the Catacombs and Tomb of Giants.
    What armor do you wear with this set up? Probably something light to maneuver quick around opponents . My problem is I wear the Set of Favor with Havel's Ring and RoFaP . I still have trouble against people with a lot of range . Especially the Great Scythe!


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:02 am

    Off hand a spear

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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:25 am

    LunarFog wrote:Off hand a spear
    Perhaps the Dragonslayer Spear? I have it at +5 from when I was going through PvE. Is it any good for PvP? I've heard it cannot be parried? Perhaps thats good with the shotel and its unblockable r2?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:Off hand a spear
    Perhaps the Dragonslayer Spear? I have it at +5 from when I was going through PvE. Is it any good for PvP? I've heard it cannot be parried? Perhaps thats good with the shotel and its unblockable r2?

    Whoever told you the demon slayer spear can't be parried is an idiot. It's the strongest spear with average dex and strength, but parrying is a big problem when I use it. In fact, it's the strongest AND has one of the best ranges.

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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am

    Use the sunlight blade, It will better match with your golden armor.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:42 am

    LunarFog wrote:
    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:Off hand a spear
    Perhaps the Dragonslayer Spear? I have it at +5 from when I was going through PvE. Is it any good for PvP? I've heard it cannot be parried? Perhaps thats good with the shotel and its unblockable r2?

    Whoever told you the demon slayer spear can't be parried is an idiot. It's the strongest spear with average dex and strength, but parrying is a big problem when I use it. In fact, it's the strongest AND has one of the best ranges.
    So then I should be using it! I have 40 DEX, 24 STR, and 50 FAT. Sound good?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:46 am

    Sloth9230 wrote:Use the sunlight blade, It will better match with your golden armor.
    I don't wanna kill Solaire! I'm kinda RP-ing and I made sure to save him!


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:50 am

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:
    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:Off hand a spear
    Perhaps the Dragonslayer Spear? I have it at +5 from when I was going through PvE. Is it any good for PvP? I've heard it cannot be parried? Perhaps thats good with the shotel and its unblockable r2?

    Whoever told you the demon slayer spear can't be parried is an idiot. It's the strongest spear with average dex and strength, but parrying is a big problem when I use it. In fact, it's the strongest AND has one of the best ranges.
    So then I should be using it! I have 40 DEX, 24 STR, and 50 FAT. Sound good?

    The damage and range should be outstanding for you. And since it's a spear, the left-hand attack should come out pretty quickly too. If you're decent with rolling, this spear should actually outperform a shield.

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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:59 am

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:Use the sunlight blade, It will better match with your golden armor.
    I don't wanna kill Solaire! I'm kinda RP-ing and I made sure to save him!

    Sunlight Blade, not Sunlight Straigtsword lol!


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:02 am

    Sloth9230 wrote:
    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:Use the sunlight blade, It will better match with your golden armor.
    I don't wanna kill Solaire! I'm kinda RP-ing and I made sure to save him!

    Sunlight Blade, not Sunlight Straigtsword lol!
    Sorry i misread that! I use DMB, is SB any better?


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:15 am

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:
    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:Use the sunlight blade, It will better match with your golden armor.
    I don't wanna kill Solaire! I'm kinda RP-ing and I made sure to save him!

    Sunlight Blade, not Sunlight Straigtsword lol!
    Sorry i misread that! I use DMB, is SB any better?

    Depending on your covenant level, DMB is stronger. However, Sb can't be made useless by Great Magic Barrier.


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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:59 pm

    I tend to swap to shotel, while having a better main weapon. Shotel is great though, just not the best weapon to use by itself. especially if you're doing a lautrec cosplay. Maybe spam parry, and if they go for a backstab do an unlocked strong attack. If timed well that could be fairly effective. All about timing.
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    Re: Tips for using a Shotel

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:24 pm

    I've been off-handing the Dragonslayer Spear with the Shotel. Its been effective in some situations but the equipment load is awkward for me. I've also tried switching between the shotel and a claymore. My friend whom I've been Pvp-ing with says the shotel is OP. I've told him he's a turtle! He using the damn Black Knight Great Axe, I shouldn't even be able to get close to him.


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