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    4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:37 pm

    I keep managing to only find one Phantom at a time, and they also keep dying almost immediately and leaving me down there with all 4 of them and Beatrice. I have a blood stain down there with 65 humanity and 350,000 souls, and it's getting more and more desperate each time.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ryan0wens on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:16 pm

    Try doing it solo, it seems crazy, but the difficulty ramps up insanely for each phantom you have summoned. I just managed to kill them solo on my fifth playthrough faster than myself and a phantom on the fourth playthrough haha.

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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:27 pm

    I would, but I just don't feel like I'm doing enough damage. The toon I'm using is the very first one I went all the way through the game with, and his stats are absolutely butchered. So I decided I'd keep leveling him and make him an Arty Sword build, so I could make use of his stats kind of being all over the place, but in order to increase his survivability more in NG+ and beyond, I've had to put most of my points into Vitality and Endurance first. So I'm only doing about 200-300 damage per strike, and in comparison to how many hits I can take before they kill me, and how many of them show up while I'm trying to do damage, it just isn't enough. Know what I mean?


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ryan0wens on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:32 pm

    Ah,I prefer to fight them with faster weapons ie a sunlight straight sword with the child mask and grass crest shield and little enough equipment to roll quickly. Also SLB helps tremendously.
    I wish I could help but my only char is a little high

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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:41 pm

    Hopefully someone will be able to. Worst case scenario, I'm leveling his INT in order to do more damage with the Arty Swords, so if nobody offers any help, sooner or later I'll have high enough INT to just be able to pelt them with spells until they die.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by MosquitoPower on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:03 pm

    Ive got a lev 120, the wiki calculator says im in range, but I dont know if thats still current after DLC.

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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:15 pm

    Yeah, we should be good. According to the calculator I can summon from 118 to 166. What's your PSN ID? I'm not playing right this minute, actually installing Mass Effect right now, but I'll shoot you a message when I am.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by MosquitoPower on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:19 pm

    PS3 name is MosquitoPower

    Send me a message anytime and we can give it a go.
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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by theznake on Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:21 am

    I had the same problem, so decided to play solo with some advice. Used Havel's set with Child's mask, shifted between Artoria's shield and the Ring shield, and used Artoria's sword -not the cursed one- two handed. Don't need to roll, just watch out for the magic attack and block it with the RS. I had to take the grab, but it didn't happen so often.

    Don't know if this helps you.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:46 am

    My set up is actually really similar to that already, although I switched my BKGA in for the kings because I'm still doing a ton more damage with it than either of the Arty Swords. I could probably survive one or two of them all day long, but the issue is that each time I've tried, even the times I've just ran in and womped on them and haven't even bothered blocking, by the time I have the first one almost dead there're 3 more on me. The issue is that my toon is going to continue to be garbage until I can get my stats more in order, so I figured to save me just level grinding I'd find some skilled summons here. I think even just one person who knows what they're doing, along with Beatrice, will make all the difference. I'm becoming more and more thoroughly convinced that people who play at high SL are generally not very skilled. The more I play at high SL it seems like the more I slaughter people in PvP, and the more my summons get slaughtered in PvE. Beatrice has outlasted 90% of the summons I've gotten so far. That's a statement in itself.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by theznake on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:00 am

    Which gameplay are you in? Because i'm talkin about NG+++, so maybe my numbers are quite diferent from yours if you're on a further gameplay.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:06 am

    Just NG+, but, like I said, my toon's stats are butchered. I have roughly 40 VIT and END, which is what I've been working on most recently, but my STR and DEX are still low enough that I'm not doing nearly enough damage. I think my STR is 28ish, and my DEX is even lower. I guess I could just bite the bullet and make an elemental weapon, but I kind of don't want to do that.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by theznake on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:08 am

    I see. Well, you're right. Maybe you need someone in good shape to help you. I'm SL 170 if you can summon me i could give it a try


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ryan0wens on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:14 am

    Try using a buffed faster weapon, I hate using large weapons for them because your stamina just goes way too quickly. I think fire works better, but I end up using SLB just because its convenient. But even using charcoal resin or whatever is a help. although only if you have a decent fully upgraded weapon

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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:22 am

    I've got MosquitoPower all lined up to help out when I give it another go. If that doesn't work out I'll probably just end up doing one of the other lord areas first and soul grinding for levels a bit.


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    Post by theznake on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:28 am

    Ok, hope you can work it out.

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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:40 am

    Thanks man.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by Acarnatia on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:01 am

    I have a suggestion for further bloodstain-in-boss-room problems; buy a homeward bone or use the homeward miracle, run through the boss area, pick up your bloodstain, then homeward (bone) out.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by MosquitoPower on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:10 am

    I second that homeward bone approach, try and get in a warp out if you can do it safely (also dont be in human form in case some super invader shows up).

    Seen a lot of groups go down in flames if things go bad PVE in the "ghost room" on the way there.

    As fot the 4 kings fight:

    I have had a lot of luck with the dark hand for blocking the magic attacks and its light weight.

    May just be me but seems easiest to dodge the sword attacks with the mid roll. Quick roll seems to get me too far over and into the "backswing" a lot of times. But ninja roll can get out of range of the explosion attacks easy.

    Seems to be vital to keep the king facing toward you, they have such weird arcs with some of the attacks that it almost more difficult to dodge from the back.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:32 am

    You still need help? I have a soul level 120 that you could summon.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:56 am

    Yeah Chiz. I'll probably give it another shot tomorrow, and I'll let you know. If I could summon both you and MP, instead of one of you and worthless Beatrice, I'm sure we'll have no problems.

    I didn't even consider warping out. I'd considered trying a RoS, but because you need the Arty Cov ring to even be down there I'd have to sacrifice one of my RoFaPs to do it, so I'd just been making sure to grab my stain each time I go down there, before I die again. Next time though.

    As far as shields go, I have endurance and strength to be able to equip great shields and not have them slow me down, so I've been using the Cleansing GS. Works really well in that fight because it's stability is high, as well as its magic res, and it doesn't weigh all that much in comparison to the others. I'm actually kind of surprised I don't see it used more often. Aside from the relatively low phys res, it's not a bad shield at all. My personal survivability hasn't really been an issue until I find myself suddenly alone with more than one of them. The last guy I summoned came in the fog gate with me, and then didn't drop down until Beatrice and I were already facing two kings. Not sure what the hell that guy was doing, but that's the kind of nonsense I've been dealing with thus far. Prompting me to plea for experienced players here.

    Because I've always played either around 120 range or before it, this character has been my first real foray into higher SL range multiplayer, and I've just been consistently blown away by the weird kinds of things players seem to do at high SL. Maybe I've just been unlucky, but it seems like I've been summoning a lot more new players at higher levels. Maybe because new players are more likely to just keep level grinding forever? I don't know. But regardless of the reason I've seen some odd multiplayer occurrences with this toon. The other day I was summoned for the O&S fight around SL135, and the host was invaded, so he ran for the fog gate while I held off the invader, and around 30 seconds after he did I got a PSN message asking me for titanite, around the same time that I saw the message that my host was killed. The guy ran into the fog gate to escape the invader and then stopped to message me for titanite while O&S were attacking him alone. Baffling.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by MosquitoPower on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:45 am

    PlasticandRage wrote:The guy ran into the fog gate to escape the invader and then stopped to message me for titanite while O&S were attacking him alone. Baffling.

    That is crazy indeed, its an odd thing that of all the zones, anor londo seems to be where I get the most/only requests for chunks/slabs/scales.

    Im in an off timezone so got so sleep now, but ill probably be online again 9 hours for the time of this post. But dont feel the need to wait for me, ChizFreak can no doubt get the job done as well =)


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:17 pm

    I will add you Plastic.


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by PlasticandRage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:25 pm

    Go for it man. I probably won't be on DkS until a bit later. Mass Effect is turning out to be just as good I'd heard it was, and I've got some errands I need to run in a little while


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    Re: 4 Kings NG+ PS3 SL141 RESOLVED

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:27 pm

    PlasticandRage wrote:Go for it man. I probably won't be on DkS until a bit later. Mass Effect is turning out to be just as good I'd heard it was, and I've got some errands I need to run in a little while

    Yeah I will be playing all the time today DkS (mostly), I'm trying to finish some builds so just send me a message when you're ready for it. Sad I don't have a pure INT caster at 120, but I have my trusted Leeroy build, Great Magic Barrier makes Four kings a joke. But we will have to be careful with not letting them gank us.


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