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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:44 am

    I heard they're going to be implementing a rule where they won't allow players to play used games on their consoles. What gives?

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:47 am

    ........wut?

    As someone who hasn't even bought a new release game first hand in the past 2 years, i'm pretty shocked about this one.. have you got proof? cus i doubt whether they'd be doing something like that if microsoft wasn't gonna go ahead annd do the same thing


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:55 am

    Oh god i don't even need to read this.. I've heard all about the next generation everything being done in a steam-like manner too.. though i dunno why they think it's okay to *** over every gaming shop in the world just to avoid people getting games sony gets no money for.

    I think it would be nothing short of suicidal if sony did that.. i'd really have to reconsider where my loyalties stand, ever since i was a kind i've used sony consoles, but if this kind of feature was implemented, i'd have little choice but to boycott.

    I'm gonna be a goddam student for the next 5 years, I can't afford to buy games at rrp, they're a rip off.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:02 am

    I buy some games at launch but not all, I also get a lot of copies of my games used.

    For example: If the 360 had this patent I wouldn't have been able to play Dark Souls - got that used.

    I think Sony would be making a grave mistake if they followed through with something like this. I just hope Microsoft isn't stupid enough to go along with it thinking it's a good idea. Look Skyward

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:13 am

    haha, yeah i got dark souls used, though i've since lost a copy of dks and bought a new one (though my old disc was posted back to me so i have 2 copies lol), and i've also bought demons souls new and the dks dlc, so i think I've given From an appropriate amount of money for a game i've played for.. i don't even know how long anymore, probably something like well over 500 hours, and demons has given me another good 60-70 hours too

    i really hope they don't do this. The other concern is making it like steam, it would be so bad. Not being able t borrow games off mates, buy games cheap when they're not new anymore.. would hit the industry so hard! and sony and microsoft think they got it bad now...


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:14 am

    I hope sony says that its what they're doing just to get microsoft to do it, then they launch without having done it. (I don't like microsoft, if you hadn't guessed)


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:17 am

    Terrible decision, this is.

    And for the record: I support From. Bought the DLC the first hour it became available on the XBL Marketplace. I'll also be purchasing DkS2 new for full price. You have to understand I was hearing so much about this game (some of it bad) so I wasn't sure about purchasing it and since I had no DeS experience I was put off. silly

    But at a discount, used, I was able to give it a try and fell in love with it. From would never have had me as a consumer if this patent was already in action.

    EDIT: Forum, these are two companies backed by an army of lawyers. I doubt Microsoft would fall for a childish game of chicken, and I doubt that Sony thinks they would.

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:24 am

    I wasn't criticising! even if i'm a fan i don't buy a game unless it's a reasonable price, though for souls even if they sold it at 60 instead of 40 pounds i'd buy it, you just get so much game time out of it.

    I think i still would have had dark souls if i couldn't play it on the cheap preowned. The first thing I saw of it was a 5 star review in my saturday news paper, and the comments about it intrigued me. Crushing difficulty, pure gameplay experience, an engrossing and beautiful world and the fact it's so different and revolutionary compared to other games, it harked back to old days of gaming with it's unrelenting offering of challenge. I was sold the moment i lay eyes on that review, guess there's something in there that other casual gamers like me can find interesting


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by PlasticandRage on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:27 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
    I think it would be nothing short of suicidal if sony did that.. i'd really have to reconsider where my loyalties stand, ever since i was a kind i've used sony consoles, but if this kind of feature was implemented, i'd have little choice but to boycott.

    This. Exactly this. I've been a Sony customer ever since Ps1, but I'd highly consider switching over to something else if they actually did this. I think they must know that a lot of us would too. Being in business is about making the customer happy. That's how you make money. Nonsense like this does just the opposite. That being said I don't think Sony would do something quite so silly as to alienate all of their customers who don't have the money to buy all their games new. Especially considering how easy it would be to just jump ship to one of their competitors who don't do these things


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by bloodpixel on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:41 pm

    wut
    I hope sony realizes what a horrible decision this is a takes it back.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by PlasticandRage on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:53 pm

    What's truly unfortunate is that they sort of have already started the ball rolling on ps3. I'm not sure if other companies have been doing this too or not, because I don't have any other systems, but I've been noticing more and more when I buy newer video games, with online aspects, used, that you'll have to purchase an online pass separately because the original owner activated the one that came with the game already. I'm yet to actually pay for an online pass, and I don't think any one else should either. That whole thing is paving the way to something more serious, like all this.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by dancash1808 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:37 pm

    see? we let them sell DLC and before long we are at this! give a game company an inch and they take a mile! >.> good think I defected from sony post ps2! I SAW THE SIGNS


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:07 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:see? we let them sell DLC and before long we are at this! give a game company an inch and they take a mile! >.> good think I defected from sony post ps2! I SAW THE SIGNS

    Yeah well seeing as there's reports the next Xbox won't have a disc drive, I'm not getting my hopes up about any of this next gen crap.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:44 pm

    PlasticandRage wrote:Being in business is about making the customer happy. That's how you
    make money. Nonsense like this does just the opposite. That being said I
    don't think Sony would do something quite so silly as to alienate all
    of their customers who don't have the money to buy all their games new.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, consoles are sold at a loss and the console makers make all their money off of licensing fees for games sold on their consoles. So if Sony alienates all their "customers" who buy used games, tell me again: what have they lost?


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:24 pm

    Because everyone either buys all their games exclusively new or exclusively used. There aren't people who have a bit of both.

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by PlasticandRage on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:25 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:
    PlasticandRage wrote:Being in business is about making the customer happy. That's how you
    make money. Nonsense like this does just the opposite. That being said I
    don't think Sony would do something quite so silly as to alienate all
    of their customers who don't have the money to buy all their games new.
    Correct
    me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, consoles are sold at a loss
    and the console makers make all their money off of licensing fees for
    games sold on their consoles. So if Sony alienates all their
    "customers" who buy used games, tell me again: what have they
    lost?

    I'm not aware of that being their business model. Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me. Even if that were the case, they'd lose customers by doing it, and losing customers means losing money, even if the majority of their income were to come from licensing. If nobody is buying things that they're selling, there eventually won't be money for them to produce anything. Eventually developers would stop producing games for their systems as well. I don't know all the details, but Nintendo certainly saw something to that degree happen when they put out the N64. In the generation before that a majority of developers made games for SNES, but then when PS1 came out they all jumped ship and went over to Sony. I could list all kinds of game developers that started series on Nintendo platforms that now make games from those same series either exclusively for Sony, or did before the Wii came out.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:29 pm

    Less players also equals less of a community and for an industry that's becoming more and more online-focused that's a bad deal whichever way you slice it.

    You're also forgetting that Sony doesn't have a monopoly on video games, people do have other options and if they feel squeezed out by a company they have all the freedom in the world to go to a competitor.

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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:30 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Because everyone either buys all their games exclusively new or exclusively used. There aren't people who have a bit of both.

    *cough* *cough*

    I do both, but then again the games I buy new are usually on offer or reduced silly

    sorry to be awkward, i just wanted it to be known.. also £16 for okami HD was a bargain, just sayin'


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by KomradDakka on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:16 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Because everyone either buys all their games exclusively new or exclusively used. There aren't people who have a bit of both.

    thats a bit of a stretch there bud... jus' saying


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Sloth9230 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:26 pm

    Plastic: the reason you have to buy an online pass separately is because Sony and the game creators don't see a dime of the money you give to Gamestop(or any other retailer) when you buy a used game.

    Gamestop actually got in trouble for this a while back, they'd sell a used game for 50(54 or something plus tax) and then the buyer would have to get an online pass separately for another 10. Pretty much, the buyer would end up paying the same amount for a used game.

    Gamestop now includes online codes(which I'm guessing they pay the game companies for) on their receipts for used games. Though I've heard that they don't do it consistently.


    Edit: I'm guessing Sony is having a similar thoughts about used games. They don't see any of the profit from them, so why should they allow them?


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by KomradDakka on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:50 pm

    its pretty aparent too that the age of hardcopies (cds, movies, game discs) is gradually coming to a close... having everything done digitally saves time, money, and space... it was only a matter of time really.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Onion Knight on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:52 pm

    This has been in the rumour mill for the last two years for all next gen consoles.
    Glad I invested in a decent pc.


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by Sloth9230 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:57 pm

    KomradDakka: It's for the best though... unless you're like me and tend to forget your password and then your hard drive gets corrupted. As it is, I have no idea what my PSN Password is. I really hope I didn't use a fake e-mail to make it :|


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    Re: Money-grubbing Sony

    Post by dancash1808 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:58 pm

    Yep. time to retreat to the PC and let the consoles die a sad death. I miss the way you used to be playstation. back when your graphics were hilarious and your games were quirky.


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