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    Post by Oh_the_Humanity on Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:59 am

    So what do you guys think?
    How do you feel about the next souls game stepping up the graphics which is quite a bit from what I've read.
    Now dont get me wrong I love sexy jaw dropping graphics
    but theres something to be said about Dark Souls graphics. They have such a dream-like quality to them.
    Im really neutral on the subject and am curious to hear your thoughts.
    I think what they do will be great,
    I just dont want the graphics to be to clean. I like my souls dirty. twisted


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    Post by Murkulanvippi on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:28 am

    Nothing against better graphics. Only thing that worries me is that if they are making the game way better in graphics, the game may not be published on ps3. I think the capacity with ps3 is almost used already. I don't know what xbox can handle, haven't got any experience on that.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:14 am

    I'd be fine if graphics never got any better. It drives up costs and sinks any proposed creativity as a risk and/or liability.


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    Post by steveswede on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:52 am

    Murkulanvippi wrote:Nothing against better graphics. Only thing that worries me is that if they are making the game way better in graphics, the game may not be published on ps3. I think the capacity with ps3 is almost used already. I don't know what xbox can handle, haven't got any experience on that.

    Actually the PS3 can out perform the XBOX 360 in the graphics department, it just that you've got to use the cell architecture. Thing is that the only game companies that do this are the first party ones. However From Software are no stranger to this as I've heard that the DeS and DkS game engine is a highly modified Sony game engine (can't remember the name) which most likely would have let them take advantage of the cell processor. If this is the case then I'm sure From Software would have added the tools to their new graphics engine so they can use the cell processor to take some of the graphics burden.
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    Post by Murkulanvippi on Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:30 am

    steveswede wrote:
    Murkulanvippi wrote:Nothing against better graphics. Only thing that worries me is that if they are making the game way better in graphics, the game may not be published on ps3. I think the capacity with ps3 is almost used already. I don't know what xbox can handle, haven't got any experience on that.

    Actually the PS3 can out perform the XBOX 360 in the graphics department, it just that you've got to use the cell architecture. Thing is that the only game companies that do this are the first party ones. However From Software are no stranger to this as I've heard that the DeS and DkS game engine is a highly modified Sony game engine (can't remember the name) which most likely would have let them take advantage of the cell processor. If this is the case then I'm sure From Software would have added the tools to their new graphics engine so they can use the cell processor to take some of the graphics burden.

    Thanks for clarifying that. I can now rest easy. happy In that case I welcome the graphic evolvement, but hoping that it still looks like dark souls.


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    Post by Hue on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:28 am

    I agree with the OP (apart for that terrible statement where he said that the Xbox can handle better graphics than the PS3, look at Uncharted 3, or Heavy Rain).

    But i don't see why some people don't like in Dark Souls graphics; apart from liquids and blobby stuff, and a few effects(like Hellkite Drake's fire), everything else is pretty awesome, Anor Londo really felt like it was the city of Sunlight


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    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:43 am

    I'm sad to say (not really) that I have a bit of a vendetta against series that move from ps3 exclusive to release on xbox too, to me it holds them back as xbox can't have as much memory on it.

    the one exception ironically is final fantasy 13, though i think everyone will agree despite hilariously being on 3 discs for xbox and only 1 for ps3, the game was a disappointment


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    Post by Oh_the_Humanity on Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:12 pm

    As a PS3 player, ex-360 player but mostly a PC player
    I think, IMO PS3 gets the **** end of the deal.
    360 in most cases does have slightly better graphics,
    which is ironicly due to the fact that PS3 is more powerful.
    Now, since PS3 is more powerful they have to make the games for 360 then port them over to the PS3, which for some reason the PS3 doesnt like.
    In my experience 99.9% of all games that are for both PS3 and 360, the 360 version is almost always slightly better, it seems to be the AA that suffers alot of the times. But then take a look a a PS3 exclusive, there almost always better than 360. IMO
    Uncharted 3 cant compare to ANY 360 exclusive out there, pluse some of the upcoming game, ie. The Last of Us or Beyond 2 Souls, those to seem to become seriously nice looking games for 2013.


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    Post by Kyōkai on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:15 pm

    Well hopefully it won't turn out like this.



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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:40 pm

    Graphics are literally the 117th most important thing I think about when I get a game.

    Gameplay matters far more to me. What's the point of a beautiful game, if it sucks?

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    Post by Oh_the_Humanity on Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:52 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Graphics are literally the 117th most important thing I think about when I get a game.

    Gameplay matters far more to me. What's the point of a beautiful game, if it sucks?

    I agree, I would be completely fine if they kept the graphics exactly the same. But since they are going to all they really need to change is just a just a couple of things. If they can keep the same feel and look to the game but improve things like background textures. (textures in general can definitely be improved upon).
    To sum it up, it just cant be to clean looking.


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    Post by Djem on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:13 pm

    Kyōkai wrote:Well hopefully it won't turn out like this.


    Lol. Well to be honest, I don't think Dark Souls is dreamy because of it's graphics. They look pretty realistic if you ask me, and that fits Dark Souls, it gives the game an epic feeling. I want better graphics. Hell, I want them to be the best they can be.
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    Post by XachAttack on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:18 pm

    They might be making the graphics better to see small lore things a bit better, like the doors in the Catacombs having english on them. You probably would be able to read it if it was smoother or something.

    I dunno, just tossin out things to think about.


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    Post by Gyonimizotetsu on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:52 pm

    Murkulanvippi wrote:Nothing against better graphics. Only thing that worries me is that if they are making the game way better in graphics, the game may not be published on ps3. I think the capacity with ps3 is almost used already. I don't know what xbox can handle, haven't got any experience on that.

    I don't think that the Dark Souls II Official Website would have the PS3 and Xbox 360 logos if it wasn't going to be of this generation of gaming. And if the PS4 really does come out net Summer before Dark Souls II does, I believe they will still make copies of PS3 games for a while after that. They did that with PS2.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:56 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:I'm sad to say (not really) that I have a bit of a vendetta against series that move from ps3 exclusive to release on xbox too, to me it holds them back as xbox can't have as much memory on it.

    the one exception ironically is final fantasy 13, though i think everyone will agree despite hilariously being on 3 discs for xbox and only 1 for ps3, the game was a disappointment
    I am not against them coming over to my console Thanks silly but that ff13 you can keep that :face: have fun with that butchered class system and hope the most likeable character ever.


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    Post by dragonbeast6 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:18 pm

    I think the graphics are good as they are...though the enviroments like trees, fooliage,rocks and mountain textures should be improved. Hopefully trees will be animated this time around which i felt were overlooked in dark souls.

    Speaking as a ps3 and 360 owner I feel the better is the 360 not because the graphics are better but because the ps3 controller sux as does the online. The only time i use my ps3 is to watch blueray movies and play demon souls.


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    Post by Gyonimizotetsu on Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:37 pm

    Lol when did this turn into a brat's argument over which system is better?


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    Post by Onion Knight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:40 pm

    Better visuals don't mean less 'realism' look at The Witcher 2.

    Also is it 2005 again? It's like being in a time machine on this thread.


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    Gyonimizotetsu wrote:Lol when did this turn into a brat's argument over which system is better?

    Well there really is no argument. The 360 is clearly the best LOLOLOL! !!!! !

    But really since Uncharted is one of the only games in the universe to take advantage of the PS3's superior power it's really just a waste. One of the many reasons that the PS4 is going to just use the PC architecture just like the 360 does and 720 will.

    So in the next gen the two consoles will be almost identical. Only differences will be their online and controllers.

    Also if you think that From will spend the 1000s of hours learning the cell architecture just so Dark Souls 2 can look the best on PC and then second best on PS3 you are dreaming. They'll just use the same thing for PC, 360 and PS3 and with mods the game will look the best on the PC.
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    Post by Onion Knight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:19 pm

    Isn't this all off topic anyone? I mean hasn't it been announced for the PS3 and 360 console wise? So why everyone is rattling on about the next gen is beyond me.


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    Post by carlucio on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:20 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:I'd be fine if graphics never got any better. It drives up costs and sinks any proposed creativity as a risk and/or liability.

    This, high production cost does not means better games, often it means the opposite.


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    Post by Oh_the_Humanity on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:27 pm

    Onion Knight wrote:Isn't this all off topic anyone? I mean hasn't it been announced for the PS3 and 360 console wise? So why everyone is rattling on about the next gen is beyond me.

    Yes is has gotten off topic.
    I wanted to point out how unique and special DkS graphics are to me.
    They hold a certain place in my heart, they allow me to further role play by engrossing me in the atmosphere like no other game can, and I feel a big part of that is the graphics.
    Am I the only one that feels this strongly about the graphics or am I just to used to it?


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    Post by Gyonimizotetsu on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:33 pm

    I don't mind the graphics staying the same. As long as the enemies are smarter, more variety of enemies, a day & night and seasons, and some recurring characters such as Patches or the King in Yellow.


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    Post by Onion Knight on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:33 pm

    The visual are fine, they are complemented and glossed over by fantastic art style and design.
    They haven't had the biggest budget for the last two games, but Dark Souls despite made with a lower budget will have had huge profit gains because of this.
    Hence a larger budget to afford this.
    I don't really mind too much as long as it runs fine.
    The Witcher 2 is extremely gritty and dark but still has fantastic visuals.
    I'd worry more about art direction and style than visuals in my opinion


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    Post by dragonbeast6 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:50 pm

    Oh_the_Humanity wrote:
    Onion Knight wrote:Isn't this all off topic anyone? I mean hasn't it been announced for the PS3 and 360 console wise? So why everyone is rattling on about the next gen is beyond me.

    Yes is has gotten off topic.
    I wanted to point out how unique and special DkS graphics are to me.
    They hold a certain place in my heart, they allow me to further role play by engrossing me in the atmosphere like no other game can, and I feel a big part of that is the graphics.
    Am I the only one that feels this strongly about the graphics or am I just to used to it?

    I think that the atmosphere is the most important thing and dark souls have a certain flair to the art style in this. Improving graphics wouldent ruin this, but make it even more engrossing (though im not sure that is possible).
    Honestly I love Dark souls to death and it one of my most played games of all time but sometimes there are textures that ruin it. What I hope the most though is that they make fooliage behave more like they should, grass bending and trees swaying, maybe some more ambiant sound trees creaking etc. Im not sure..


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