Quick question about karmic Justice...

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    Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Red Rosie on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:00 pm

    Hello, im aware that a ton of Karmic Justice posts already exist...

    But I cant find whether phantom hits trigger it?

    Like you know when you roll through a poison arrow, take no damage but still get the poison build up, or roll through bleed attacks with no damage but still a bleed up, I would like to know whether the same kind of thing happens with KJ?


    We have all seen the videos where someone suicides themself to activate KJ, but I did see one clip where soul mass "phantom" hit them (doing no damage) But it went off anyway (Fluke?). Just wondering if anyone has tested this?


    What im getting at is..... Can i do flips around a katana spammer and blow them to sheit with KJ without taking a pounding first silly


    Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, if it has please just link me and ill STFU (Then make a video of it lol)

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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Spurgun on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:02 pm

    I don't think so, since it only triggers when you take damage (also why you can use a shield with less than 100% phys defense and still trigger it.


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:02 pm

    Good question and I'm not sure; I would guess no as in my experience KJ has only ever responded to damage and/or knock-downs.

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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by CaptanSpudsy on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:24 pm

    I think KJ doesn't work on the damage you recieve, but the amount of hits you take. So get an cracked round shield or any non-100% shield, and hold it in front of your face while they smack you.


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:30 pm

    But those shields still let in damage, so damage would still be getting through.

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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Red Rosie on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:32 pm

    Yep I know getting mashed with a non 100% shield would work, but then again... Anyone who does that to you whilst KJ is active just isnt worth fighting lol

    I just wanna know bout the phantom hits, it seemed to work against the soul mass in (I think it was MindEye's) Video?

    If it works against those it could be worth using more often to roll through attacks and catch people off guard


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by befowler on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:10 pm

    Yes, I have seen it fire several times when someone rolled right through a HSM barrage even though, thanks to i-frames, no damage was dealt. There can be some inconsistency if all the orbs don't fire together. I also don't know if this is true only with those sorts of spells, or all kinds of invincibility-soaked hits. One of our real KJ experts will have to chime in there.


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by robsthedon on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:13 am

    Red Rosie Sugar wrote:Yep I know getting mashed with a non 100% shield would work, but then again... Anyone who does that to you whilst KJ is active just isnt worth fighting lol

    I just wanna know bout the phantom hits, it seemed to work against the soul mass in (I think it was MindEye's) Video?

    If it works against those it could be worth using more often to roll through attacks and catch people off guard

    Depends on whether your hosting or vading, I have had some success with kj and east west shield vading with blue orb in royal wood, against gankers near the arena area, I cast kj and dmb in the lift, they quite often set it off, then dmb takes over. Idk if they can't see the aura.


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by User1 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:21 am

    I have KJ on my SL22 build, and all the people I invade dont get what it does, so I pretty much always win. But at higher levels, I've noticed many spam magic from all sides, knowing it wo'nt set off.
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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Sentiel on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:26 am

    KJ activates based on your HP damage. Attacks that do no HP damage, even phantom hits are considered missed/blocked by KJ and it won't activate.

    Multihitting attacks, like Soulmass etc are best blocked with a shield, since no shield has 100% Magic Reduction and it will contribute greatly to activating KJ.

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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Red Rosie on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:59 pm

    Hmm well it definitely went off in a video I saw to phantom hits of soul mass.... But to be fair that spell is glitchy as hell at the best of times.

    Anyway I tried the theory, went rolling circles around katana spammers last night for ages getting phantom hits with:

    - Red tear active
    - Suns first born ring
    - Dusk crown
    _ Tin crystal Catalyst in other hand....

    But I got killed / looked a total fool WAY before anything happened, and it never actually activated in the end anyway!

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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Uparkaam on Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:46 pm

    HSM/HCSM can activate KJ even if the orbs don't do any damage. Skare posted about this once. And I've tried it and it works.


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    Re: Quick question about karmic Justice...

    Post by Carphil on Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:21 pm

    Red Rosie Sugar wrote:Hmm well it definitely went off in a video I saw to phantom hits of soul mass.... But to be fair that spell is glitchy as hell at the best of times.

    Anyway I tried the theory, went rolling circles around katana spammers last night for ages getting phantom hits with:

    - Red tear active
    - Suns first born ring
    - Dusk crown
    _ Tin crystal Catalyst in other hand....

    But I got killed / looked a total fool WAY before anything happened, and it never actually activated in the end anyway!

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