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    Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:25 pm

    Just that.

    I remember a long time ago I saw a video of someone having very low HP, that caused that Power Within combined with Sanctus negated the HP loss, and least made it don't kill you before the buff fade off.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:32 pm

    I believe he had the lowest vit possible, plus sanctus, and the lingering dragon crest ring. He also was cursed to lower life even more.

    You are thinking of the massive damage dragon video with rtsr and everything.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by The Letter X on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:05 pm

    You'd need a max HP pool of 100 hp to fully negate PW since the Sanctus recovers 1 HP per second and PW leeches 1% of your HP per second.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:22 pm

    What Glute said. It is impossible to completely negate the effects of PW.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Jansports on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:04 pm

    Actually anything up to like 299 would be fine. PW rounds any non whole number down, so 2.99 becomes a flat 2. The damage is spread out over a longer time with the Belowing ring, so it's Less than 2.0 per second, which *Should* be rounded down to 1 which Sanctus will negate.

    At least I think that's how it works
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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:18 pm

    A sorcerer starts out with the lowest vitality in the game, and that is 593. No matter what you do, it won't work.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:40 pm

    reim0027 wrote:A sorcerer starts out with the lowest vitality in the game, and that is 593. No matter what you do, it won't work.

    Then tell me a way to prolong my life as long as possible. Here is my planned build:

    http://mmdks.com/kkn

    Maybe cursing myself is an option.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by The Letter X on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:44 pm

    You need to meet the Faith requirement (18) for the regeneration to kick in.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:46 pm

    The Letter X wrote:You need to meet the Faith requirement (18) for the regeneration to kick in.

    I'm pretty sure I don't. Unless it was fixed in a patch?


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by The Letter X on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:48 pm

    I equipped it yesterday with 8 faith and it would not regenerate my health. Shrug


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:09 am

    Oh and the Sanctus doesn't heal 1 HP per second, it heals 2 HP every 2 seconds, it's not the same.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by The Letter X on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:13 am

    I was just simplifying to show what you'd need to make it happen. I'm hoping Jansports is right about the rounding down, though.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Seignar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:42 am

    Power Within will ignore the values of your first and second digits of HP as they will end up as decimals and PW rounds down. The Sanctus will heal you for 100 HP flat and 150 with Lingering Dragon Crest Ring since the duration of PW is even, so the statement "Sanctus heals 1 HP per second" is the same as Sanctus heals 2 HP per 2 seconds since every second will coincide with PW, the farthest off one can get is by 1 second. As such, the HP values you'll need to completely offset PW is 199, regardless of whether or not you're wearing the ring. This means that if you score that unlucky second where Sanctus will heal unevenly with PW, then you will find yourself 1 HP short for approximately 1 second, in which you will then have recovered it.

    Reaching 199 HP is impossible except by double curse (Which was removed in the earliest patches) or wearing the Dusk Crown Ring while cursed. Your HP must be below 800 for this to work and, for this reason, the minimum VIT required to negate PW is 20, which will leave you with 198 HP.

    However, note that as long as your first and second HP digits are not 0, PW will not kill you from full HP.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:06 am

    Damn 20 VIT is too much for my build. I would have to down INT to 80 instead of 90. I would lose 5 MAD ADJ points. I guess it's worth right?

    But I can't invade while being cursed, because when cursed you can't being human right? I guess then it doesn't help.

    Seignar, what's the best way to prolong my life while PW is active with the build I posted? Any tweaks I could make to prolong my life?


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Seignar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:19 am

    Well, Catbros and Moonbros can still invade while hollow. So it ain't entirely hopeless.

    Well...for your build, PW will leave you with 31 HP and Sanctus will grant you 100 HP for 131 HP. If you add the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring, Sanctus will have healed 150 HP instead. So you will have 181 HP by the time PW ends.

    But really, not much. PW will not kill you as long as you don't take over 130 damage while it is in effect; 180 if you switch to Lingering.

    One tactic you could attempt is to switch the RTSR for a Dusk Crown Ring once your HP drops below 50% (265), then switch to the RTSR when your HP drops below 20% (106), this should extend your survivability.

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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:30 am

    Seignar wrote:Well, Catbros and Moonbros can still invade while hollow. So it ain't entirely hopeless.

    Well...for your build, PW will leave you with 31 HP and Sanctus will grant you 100 HP for 131 HP. If you add the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring, Sanctus will have healed 150 HP instead. So you will have 181 HP by the time PW ends.

    But really, not much. PW will not kill you as long as you don't take over 130 damage while it is in effect; 180 if you switch to Lingering.

    One tactic you could attempt is to switch the RTSR for a Dusk Crown Ring once your HP drops below 50% (265), then switch to the RTSR when your HP drops below 20% (106), this should extend your survivability.

    So... Power Within wouldn't kill me if I don't get hit, and will leave at 131 HP, so at some point if I didn't killed my target yet I would get the RTSR effect. I guess that's enough. Thanks for the help.

    One last question: You think it's worth to down INT to 80 from 90, so I can add 10 points to END so I have more stamina to dodge attacks? The increase of stamina won't be very significant and maybe I'm already good with the stamina I have, so those 10 points into INT may be better, 6 MAD ADJ extra points are much considering my gear (TCC. Dusk Crown, Bellowing, RTSR)


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Seignar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:43 am

    Do you really need all that adjustment? 50 INT is enough with all that equipment. The returns are usually not enough to justify the drawbacks you'll receive.

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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by ChizFreak on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:51 am

    Seignar wrote:Do you really need all that adjustment? 50 INT is enough with all that equipment. The returns are usually not enough to justify the drawbacks you'll receive.

    Yes. It's build made to do ridiculous damage with 1 hit. That's the sole purpose of the build, to one-shoot people and gankers.


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Seignar on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:59 am

    Then you, my friend, have a serious problem of not having your INT at 99...

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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Jansports on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:10 am

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=241408242434873871

    While Cursed with the Ring(s) on sanctus should be able to keep you in hypermode with PW active without dying.
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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:26 am

    It is possible to stay at 20% the entire time that PW is activated?


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    Re: Required VIT along with Sanctus needed to negate Power Within?

    Post by Jansports on Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:31 pm

    reim0027 wrote:It is possible to stay at 20% the entire time that PW is activated?

    Should be, with the set up I posted you should be able to get down to hypermode, turn on PW swap on the Sanctus and you'll be "Active" for the full PW duration.

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