They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

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    They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by Shakie666 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:54 am

    At the minute, lets be honest, its not terribly useful, its weight and the worse magadjust than the TCC make it basically worthless (not to mention you have to give up pursuers to get it). The most notably of its stats is its high (for a catalyst) AR.

    You might be thinking at this point "why is this notable?" It isn't, currently. However, what they should have done is give it REALLY high AR (for a catalyst), say 550 or so at 40 str. That way, it'd be a viable melee weapon that you could use as a catalyst in a pinch. If it was like this, then we might actually see it used. Instead, it ranks alongside the blue tearstone and tiny being's rings in terms of usefulness (i.e. zero).

    What does everyone else think?
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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by LunarFog on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:09 am

    Just skimmed through it's page on the wiki. It says that it has some kind of bonus for dark magic that makes it stronger than Tin crystal

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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:41 am

    The catalyst scales with STR for dark magics and stunlocks pretty well I believe. Its not useless its just not the best AFAIK.


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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by Shakie666 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:46 pm

    The dark magic bonus only makes a difference with high str, the TCC is still better for strength below about 25 I think. Also, it may be able to stunlock, but you won't be doing that much damage in the time the opponent is stunlocked. I wish it did, because at the minute, I've yet to see anyone actually using it.
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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by XachAttack on Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:28 pm

    Pfft, viable weapons are for nerds, using that thing to smash people is hilarious!


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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by PlasticandRage on Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:45 pm

    I've actually been throwing around the idea of making a heavy armor STR/INT hybrid and making use of the Manus Catalyst, dark magic, and some kind of heavy weapon that I haven't chosen yet. If you're planning on investing enough into STR to use something heavy anyway, than it might be worthwhile to use the MC over the TCC. Most of the dark magics don't have a huge INT requirement to use, so you could just go for the base INT requirement for Pursuers and then focus on tank stats like VIT, END, and STR. You don't have to sacrifice Pursuers for it. You just have to play into a second run to attain both. Takes awhile, but isn't so impossible that it isn't worth doing. You could throw the MC into a secondary offhand slot, use it to stunlock when you have it out for casting, then bash them with your primary weapon while they're stunned. All that considered, it doesn't seem very useless to me. Most weapons have some kind of use if you put your mind to it.


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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by Djem on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:10 pm

    Well this helps me decide, I'll get Pursuers instead of the catalyst.
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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:39 pm

    Does it still give the bonus if you two hand it, or is the high strength stat required?
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    Re: They missed a trick with the manus catalyst.

    Post by Reaperfan on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:37 pm

    The Mauns Catalyst actually has a hidden modifier that boosts the physical damage of Dark Sorceries based on the caster's Str stat on top of the base power of its Magic Adjust. As long as you're pumping Str into a hybrid build and sticking to Dark Sorceries, it's actually just as powerful, if not more so, than the TCC due to this modifier. I'll admit it's not good for anything except the hybrid build, but I have to say my Dark Sorcerer character has easily been my favorite build I've made since the DLC hit.


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