The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:12 am

    The crystal Ring shield; 20 casts before needing repair (due to weapon damage), and pre-patch it nailed about 1190 damage per hit if you wielded the TCC in your main hand; which according to my testing is the highest damage you could get outside of modded gear.

    Dark Bead with the TCC nails approximately 3400 damage per hit under the same circumstances.

    The argument that the Crystal Ring Shield made PvE too easy is why it was nerfed. You could easily ram it into a boss over and over for a very easy kill. However, Dark Bead can easily slay a boss in one or two casts with it's damage output. Look Skyward

    Is Dark Bead's damage output too high, and in need of nerfing in order to maintain the game's status quo as difficult? What is your opinions and thoughts?
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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Juutas on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:16 am

    You got a point there...


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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:27 am

    I don't want to be an advocate of Dark Bead, but I don't think it's OP when compared to Crystal Ring Shield before it got patched. Dark Bead has 6 casts and is most effective when very close to the target, which puts caster in danger. While Crystal Ring Shield could be used infinite times, provided you have Repair Powder, which, I guess everybody using it had and it could be used form quite some range.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:34 am

    Sentiel wrote:I don't want to be an advocate of Dark Bead, but I don't think it's OP when compared to Crystal Ring Shield before it got patched. Dark Bead has 6 casts and is most effective when very close to the target, which puts caster in danger. While Crystal Ring Shield could be used infinite times, provided you have Repair Powder, which, I guess everybody using it had and it could be used form quite some range.
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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:50 am

    Rynn wrote:
    Sentiel wrote:I don't want to be an advocate of Dark Bead, but I don't think it's OP when compared to Crystal Ring Shield before it got patched. Dark Bead has 6 casts and is most effective when very close to the target, which puts caster in danger. While Crystal Ring Shield could be used infinite times, provided you have Repair Powder, which, I guess everybody using it had and it could be used form quite some range.
    http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6380954
    I am aware Repair Powder works on right hand weapons, merely requip the shield to right hand. :roll:

    The point wasn't about damage, I agree that doing over 3k damage is ridiculous and makes most of the game cheese. The point was about Crystal Shield having the possibility of infinite uses, while DB has limited casts. The posibility of unlimited uses with that damage is what means to be OP in my point of view.

    MLGS has same the same option, but doesn't do as much damage as CRS did before patch.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:02 am

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:40 am

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:42 am

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:49 am

    XachAttack wrote:*Grabs and noms popcorn*
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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:10 am

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:58 am

    You are the main villian of one of the games.
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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:03 am

    Rynn wrote:You are the main villian of one of the games.
    Yea, I always choose the Dark Lord ending. lol!

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:09 am

    We're talking about a game where you can stack up 600+ damage combustions in the 1st playthrough.

    Bead is definitely OP if the shield was. Yeah, it has fewer uses...theoretically. However any half-baked management of bonfire usage and other spells vs non boss = walk through a level and just loller 1-shot or 2-shot bosses. Repair powder or magic was useful but actually costs a small amount...bead doesn't and just gets recharged.

    This is the same game where you can just cast hidden body and run past just about everything too. I'm not seeing the issue with CRS, except vs bosses and other players. However, in THOSE areas it has NOTHING on dark bead.

    It's amusing that I don't have DLC but have to fight dark bead lol. I kill a lot of them too, thanks to switching to the crest shield. Only times people get me with dark bead is the good ole' bait and switch...but I'm guilty of that too (I'll swing a PGS or parti-poke around, then run up and switch to pyro glove and spam GS against parries...and I have the poise to tank hits if they don't parry).


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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:12 am

    You just killed my fun man. 😢

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by deadagain on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:26 am

    OMG please don't stop, this is the best thread I've read in a long time.


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    Re: The Crystal Ring Shield was not overpowered Unless Dark Bead is overpowered.

    Post by aceluby on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:28 am

    The range of DB is small though. Like I said in another thread, it punishes the very successful aggressive melee style of play and backstab fishers. It could use a 'small' nerf, but a better solution would be for players that have an aggressive playstyle to change tactics until they are out of DB casts.

    I'm also of the opinion that the CRS was nerfed too much and is now not useful. I'd rather have DB the way it is now then to nerf it so much that it no longer punishes aggressive melee'ers.


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