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    Am I an idiot?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:21 pm

    I think the Crown of Dusk is awesome, so much so that I would consider it to be on the OP side despite its extreme drawback.

    But I consider Gwyndolin's crown to be a waste despite it not having any of the Dusk Crown's drawbacks. Is this dumb of me? Shrug

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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:35 pm

    It's weaker, heavier and just as(if not more) ugly. If you can dodge then there's no problem at all.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Infighter on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:35 pm

    Pick Dusk's crown or be cross-dressing boy with moon affinity


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    Depends. If you are an int build you can offset the loss with the mlgs, otherwise using the dark sun crown instead isn't unjustifiable.

    For example a geared pyro can do a stun induced kill combo for a total of 2400 damage, if none of it is counter damage. If thats your primary form of attack, you can stand to lose 240 damage for 20% more magic defense,

    EDIT: especially with the prevolance of heavy hitting and aoe magics. That 20% could save your life, where most builds, especially under 100, don't break 2k hp. A 20% damage boost to enemy mlbh hits would stack really quickly.

    Edit: He didn't ask about looks or the opinion on the characters.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by RANT on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:54 pm

    i personally love the way the darksun crown looks and i hate the dusk crown. its really more up to which one you like more since it wont matter if you have the dusk crown since you will most likely get ohko'd if you run into a sorcerer since they all have the dusk crowna and the sorcery ring.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:57 pm

    I'm different, I think Gwyndy's crown is ugly. It looks like a nasty golden spider on your head, on the other hand, I think the Dusk Crown looks nice.

    It's subtle little elf ear crown, goes good on my lady toons. winking

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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by RANT on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:58 pm

    i hate it even on my girls, it looks off, kinda crooked and kinda ugly but that's just me. it does not look like elf ears at all.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:05 pm

    I think they're actually supposed to be leaves that have been sprayed gold.

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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by RANT on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:07 pm

    i though they were feathers, i never really looked at them closely.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:07 pm

    if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    They look like wings to me.

    Forum: style, trumps utility don'tcha know?


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:08 pm

    Sloth9230 wrote:if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    Why do people wear caps/hats askew then? tongue

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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:10 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    Why do people wear caps/hats askew then? tongue

    Not that kind of crooked, slanted maybe?


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by RANT on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:12 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    Why do people wear caps/hats askew then? tongue

    did you just compared the feather thing to hats? anyway, imo it looks like poop when people do that with hats too/caps.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:20 pm

    Anyway, despite my distaste for it, I do wear the dusk crown whenever I go ganker revenge killing. IMHO the amount of times I've been killed by another mage wouldn't justify switching over to the dark sun crown, they're usually double knock-outs anyway silly

    And like I said... the dark sun crown is uglier.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:21 pm

    Sloth9230 wrote:if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    They look like wings to me.

    Forum: style, trumps utility don'tcha know?
    He wasn't asking about style. He was asking about utility, and from a utility standpoint the dark sun crown is indeed viable, especially if the player using it favors high damage attacks. 3 gcs will kill many builds anyways, so if thats your primary attack there is little reason not to take the 20% magic defense unless you need a damage boost for some other spell.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:23 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Sloth9230 wrote:if the wings weren't crooked then it might look half decen't, but nope.

    They look like wings to me.

    Forum: style, trumps utility don'tcha know?
    He wasn't asking about style. He was asking about utility, and from a utility standpoint the dark sun crown is indeed viable, especially if the player using it favors high damage attacks. 3 gcs will kill many builds anyways, so if thats your primary attack there is little reason not to take the 20% magic defense unless you need a damage boost for some other spell.

    It's 30%


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:34 pm

    Yeah, thanks /sarcasm

    Only helping my point.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:36 pm

    Not really, considering most magics are pretty easy to dodge.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:45 pm

    Moon light butterfly horn does magic damage, moonlight great sword does magic damage, dark moon blade does magic damage, crystal moon weapon does magic damage, all these things hit quite often and are reasonably common.

    Besides, most attacks are easy to dodge, so by your logic one shouldn't bother with defense or hp at all. I need not explain why this isn't true


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:50 pm

    I'm not saying that the crown of the dark sun isn't usefull, I'm only saying that dusk crown is better at it's intended purpose: dealing damage.

    Whether the dusk crown leads to a quicker death or victory is dependent on personal skill.



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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:55 pm

    It is better at dealing damage, but if one doesn't need more damage then 30% magic defense reduction is an unnecessary sacrifice.

    I specificly illustrated this with examples. Your argument then, was unnecessary.


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:03 pm

    Except you're the one who's acting like if I said it wasn't viable. I simply said they were both ugly. So you're the one who's arguing unnecessarily. When did I say it wasn't viable? All I said was "if you can dodge then there's no problem at all".


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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:14 pm

    I didn't say you said it wasn't viable.

    I pointed out that he asked from a utility standpoint and then explained the utility of the crown, with examples.

    You said form over function, dismissed a 30% magic defense as irrelevant because of dodging (which is provably wrong in several situations, nobody is perfect) and said the dusk crown added more damage, which was never argued to begin with.

    I welcome a good discussion or debate, but you're not really doing it well.

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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:40 pm

    Despite the fact that my comment about style trumping utility was a joke, style is still a part of the game. What explanation do you have for the Knight Shield other than it being stylish?

    If the Op didn't want me or Infighter making comments about looks, then he could have told us himself. There was no need for you to make this remark "He didn't ask about looks or the opinion on the characters."



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    Re: Am I an idiot?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:47 pm

    Sloth9230 wrote:If the Op didn't want me or Infighter making comments about looks, then she could have told us herself.

    I am not a "she." silly


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