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    Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:58 pm

    Hey guys, got this message today from someone at the forest.I got there and see the guy full giant armor and dragonslayer spear, I go in with my usual setup (bk knife, parrying dagger, black iron chest and all other is giant armor.

    Anyways I start the fight and he starts atacking senslessly at me even though he has to have seen my setup, any mildly experienced pvper would be careful to do that after seeing me, so I do a quick parry and the guy dies from my riposte.

    He sends me this message:

    parrying with heavyweight armour, pathetic :U,
    before you go 12 yr old on me im not your bro nor
    am I mad, just.

    I told him that if he had any pvp experience he should have been more careful after seeing my setup as most of you would probably, also I don't think parrying in heavy armor is ilegitimate and actually parrying
    is one of the most skill based things in the game am I right?

    Can anyone tell me the logic behind this message?
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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Dj-B-Man-Jr on Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:59 pm

    No logic, he mad. Well done!
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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Domhnall on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 am

    I think he may have been angry that his setup, which required little to no effort on his part, basically just upgrading a spear to +10, failed so horribly against someone with two little daggers. Especially if he was two-handing the spear. Anyone two-handing a spear is asking for trouble, unless they are really good with it.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:17 am

    he replied, he is sick of seeing heavy armored guys with buffed daggers, this coming from a full giant wearing dood, also if you are sick of seeing players like me you should have some tactic down for us no?

    As do I for all the giant wearing or havel wearing, BKGA, SPEAR or whatever stagger or buffed weapon users, for example if I see a guy using a murakumo I make sure not to even try and parry, that thing staggers me dead no matter how much poise.

    yes he was two handing it you are psychic!!!! I told him I would duel him again at any terms but he did not respond.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Carphil on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:19 am

    Whats the matter? If someone can do ninja flip with the heaviest armor in game, there is no problem at parrying, which is far more dificult than dodge


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:20 am

    Dj-B-Man-Jr wrote:No logic, he mad. Well done!

    thanks for letting me know real logic still exists and I am not going mad...


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:22 am

    Carphil wrote:Whats the matter? If someone can do ninja flip with the heaviest armor in game, there is no problem at parrying, which is far more dificult than dodge


    exactly! I am not the king of pvp but homie if you got parried you earned it!
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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:56 am

    hahahah noob, i dont always get parried but when i do, i send a gg.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:50 am

    Hate mail logic states that if you get beaten, the other guy is cheap no matter what setup they have.
    If you had light armor on he would of sent the same mail about light armor and parries being cheap.

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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by strangejoy on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:24 am

    Parrying is never cheap. Never. Every time I've been parried I asked for it. I've even sent lovemail to someone who managed to parry a rolling claymore thust on reaction without parry spamming (insane timing deserves a little love).

    Of topic: holy crap, Mildred. That photochop is just plain wrong.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:59 am

    Yes thank you, I love this forum you guys are like a reasonable family.

    And Mildred that pic is hella crazy for real! haha


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Brokewilly on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:10 pm

    Yesuurd wrote:Hey guys, got this message today from someone at the forest.I got there and see the guy full giant armor and dragonslayer spear, I go in with my usual setup (bk knife, parrying dagger, black iron chest and all other is giant armor.

    Anyways I start the fight and he starts atacking senslessly at me even though he has to have seen my setup, any mildly experienced pvper would be careful to do that after seeing me, so I do a quick parry and the guy dies from my riposte.

    He sends me this message:

    parrying with heavyweight armour, pathetic :U,
    before you go 12 yr old on me im not your bro nor
    am I mad, just.

    I told him that if he had any pvp experience he should have been more careful after seeing my setup as most of you would probably, also I don't think parrying in heavy armor is ilegitimate and actually parrying
    is one of the most skill based things in the game am I right?

    Can anyone tell me the logic behind this message?

    Yesuurd - don't even worry about it bro. The griefer simply wanted you to go blow with him that is all. Like you said he should have seen your set-up and changed his fighting style appropriately.

    Good job - your parrying skill level is exemplary Proper Bow - these kids playing this game is really starting to seriously aggravate me. They feel so "big man" when they gangbang you but then complain when they are killed by a experienced opponent.

    Again, very well done - One additional star star added to your Bandit's knife pommel.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:45 pm

    Brokewilly wrote:
    Yesuurd wrote:Hey guys, got this message today from someone at the forest.I got there and see the guy full giant armor and dragonslayer spear, I go in with my usual setup (bk knife, parrying dagger, black iron chest and all other is giant armor.

    Anyways I start the fight and he starts atacking senslessly at me even though he has to have seen my setup, any mildly experienced pvper would be careful to do that after seeing me, so I do a quick parry and the guy dies from my riposte.

    He sends me this message:

    parrying with heavyweight armour, pathetic :U,
    before you go 12 yr old on me im not your bro nor
    am I mad, just.

    I told him that if he had any pvp experience he should have been more careful after seeing my setup as most of you would probably, also I don't think parrying in heavy armor is ilegitimate and actually parrying
    is one of the most skill based things in the game am I right?

    Can anyone tell me the logic behind this message?

    Yesuurd - don't even worry about it bro. The griefer simply wanted you to go blow with him that is all. Like you said he should have seen your set-up and changed his fighting style appropriately.

    Good job - your parrying skill level is exemplary Proper Bow - these kids playing this game is really starting to seriously aggravate me. They feel so "big man" when they gangbang you but then complain when they are killed by a experienced opponent.

    Again, very well done - One additional star star added to your Bandit's knife pommel.


    Thank you very much :face: some people hate backstabs and that is understandable but parrying is a whole other scenario, most of you might know I parry and backstab, I like playing like that and it does require certain skill in both aspects.Also I think using a parrying dagger gives you a slight advantage on parrying but you are fighting with no shield which could be seen as an obvious disadvantage in some cases.

    (also something I didn't say earlier, this is actually my gang farmer killing gear since I like to go in quickly and kill the host while protected from being too staggered by 3 or 2 people hitting me at once, so this setup is meant for that and I think in this guys case me wearing lighter armor would have not made much difference)

    I mean the guy had a dragonspear and giant shield, to tell you all the truth and any of you who play or have played in my style know that one of the most difficult opponents is a guy with a spear and a high stability shield and mostly for someone with a dagger which has to get extremely close to deal any kind of damage, thanks all for your support greatly appreciated.
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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:09 am

    So, let me try to understand this. You have a setup that screams "I'm gonna parry you!!!". He starts spamming the same attack over and over. You parry his predictable R1. And he calls you pathetic?

    Also, IIRC, you don't lose poise with a partial parry (it counts as a partial block), right? (I may be wrong on this one). So, you can partial parry the first hit and parry the second one (if he is dumb enough to try a second hit) equally well with light armor, right?


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Brokewilly on Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:15 am

    reim0027 wrote:So, let me try to understand this. You have a setup that screams "I'm gonna parry you!!!". He starts spamming the same attack over and over. You parry his predictable R1. And he calls you pathetic?

    Also, IIRC, you don't lose poise with a partial parry (it counts as a partial block), right? (I may be wrong on this one). So, you can partial parry the first hit and parry the second one (if he is dumb enough to try a second hit) equally well with light armor, right?

    Man I am hoping this is the case - meaning a partial parry/block (or slightly missed one - similar to how some damage is absorbed upon a missed parry with a small/normal shield) with a parry knife absorbs some of the incoming damage. I have been itching to experiment with a parry knife in PvP - its just the chance of not being able to deflect some of the damage on a partial parry/block my only hang-up.

    If the parry knife blocks some of the damage and your poise can keep you from being stun-locked by the 1st hit - you may have an opportunity to set-up another parry attempt, BS, evade,etc.

    Anyone of the skilled parry aficionados Bow out there willing to share any knowledge on this?



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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:21 am

    Yeah, I'm not 100% sure on this, so someone who parries a lot should verify it.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:30 am

    That guy is an idiot who can't take it that he got owned by a guy using a bandit's knife honourably.


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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by Yesuurd on Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:19 pm

    reim0027 wrote:So, let me try to understand this. You have a setup that screams "I'm gonna parry you!!!". He starts spamming the same attack over and over. You parry his predictable R1. And he calls you pathetic?

    Also, IIRC, you don't lose poise with a partial parry (it counts as a partial block), right? (I may be wrong on this one). So, you can partial parry the first hit and parry the second one (if he is dumb enough to try a second hit) equally well with light armor, right?

    Yes the parry animation at times will just make an attack look as if it just passed through you and did no damage, since I mostly play parry/backstab I have experienced this many times, especially when being hacked away at like a madman.

    Dunno if anyone has more experience at it than me and could add to it but I have also noticed personally
    that it is easy to parry weapons even BKGA but mostly when beng used one handed, no matter how much poise if someone is spamming attacks at you two handed with any kind of greatsword it is highly improbable to get that parry, hence getting staggered/dead.

    Also for the parry enthusiast if you see a two handed murakumo just let it be and find some other way trust me, dunno if I will get to the point where I will actually find the tactic to parry all these things I stated in time with practice but that's my 2 cents right now.
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    Re: Parrying with heavy armor & ethics?

    Post by befowler on Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:36 pm

    To answer the original question, no your gear/tactics were fine. My experience dealing with the forest farmers is that they have the following perspectives on life:

    1) If they and their ultrageared summons beat you 3v1, you were terrible no matter how long the fight was, how many times they ran off and flasked while covered by their summons, or even if you killed summons and/or nearly got the host. Prepare for offensive gestures.

    2) If you kill them, you must have been lame/cheating. Prepare for offensive PMs.

    imho any tactic is legit when dealing with those guys. A personal favorite is ring of fog + hawk ring + black bow. Just chip away at them from a mile away and they flip out. You almost never kill one directly, but they know if they chase after you into the woods it'll be a huge hassle and time sink, and disrupt their busy spawn site camping schedule.


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