What exactly is a "Quality" build?

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    What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:02 pm

    Is it just a build centered around the use of weapons that have mid-range scaling (C) for both strength and dex? Has anyone ever made one they liked?
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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by PwnasauresRex on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:12 pm

    a quality build uses weapons with both similar dex/str scaling.

    i dont really like quality builds myself


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Spurgun on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:15 pm

    A quality build is a build that has high str and dex, 27/40, 28/40 and 40/40 are the most used ones.
    You don't have to use weapons that scale with both str and dex, since you can use most of the weapons in the game, but a quality build gets the most out of those weapons.


    EDIT. And the term "quality" comes from DeS, where there was a upgrade path with that name that increased scaling in both str and dex.

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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by User on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:21 pm

    There are very few weapons that are usually Dex/Str that goes higher than C. Most are C or D, sadly enough.

    Usually upgrading those such as Straight Swords increase it to at least B when maxed... sometimes.
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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:36 pm

    Two C's are generally worth more than one B scaling. Just compare the BSS's damage with base Str and 40 dex, and the SLSS at 40/40. It lets you use weapons that either have high requirements or balanced scaling, like the Claymore, Greatsword, Halberd, or Murakumo. It also makes weapons like Black Knight weapons shine, as well as Dex weapons that have mild Str scaling. Also, quality builds get a ton of versatility. You could have a heavy weapon in the first slot and a lighter one in the second without having to make one elemental. I'm a big fan of them because I love to play around with different weapon setups and options.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Cabjoy on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:04 pm

    Ghadis_God wrote:Two C's are generally worth more than one B scaling. Just compare the BSS's damage with base Str and 40 dex, and the SLSS at 40/40. It lets you use weapons that either have high requirements or balanced scaling, like the Claymore, Greatsword, Halberd, or Murakumo. It also makes weapons like Black Knight weapons shine, as well as Dex weapons that have mild Str scaling. Also, quality builds get a ton of versatility. You could have a heavy weapon in the first slot and a lighter one in the second without having to make one elemental. I'm a big fan of them because I love to play around with different weapon setups and options.

    +1

    My most recent build is the first quality build I've ever made, and I absolutely love it. I'm the type who gets bored of being restricted to only a few weapons. This way, you can have a ton of weapon setups! I personally love having a backup Hand Axe +15 on the side, and this way you can use something quality scaling or dex scaling as a main weapon. Also my composite bow on my quality build has an AR of high 400's. It's absolutely amazing!
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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Carphil on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:15 pm

    Its perfect for the Roullete duels. Need any more reasons?


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Seignar on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:38 pm

    Quality builds are any build that focuses on a mixture of Str and Dex, usually 27/40, in order to maximize weapon potential and versitality. The term quality comes from Demon Souls upgrade path that converted and distributed scaling among the Str and Dex stat.

    Quality builds usually sacrifice Vit due to the points required to max the 2 stats, but they have the most consistent damage outputs, capable of utilizing any and all weapons to their max potential. Due to this, quality builds have a unique arsenal of bows and Curved Swords, in addition to the arsenals of Str and Dex builds, allowing for complete adaptability in any situation.

    The quality build suffers from losses to either vit or end (depending on the build) and is the only build that has a difficult time incorporating magic as an asset. Nonetheless, the quality build is feared for its overall power and versatilkty, but mocked for its frailty.

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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Carphil on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:42 pm

    Not exaclty a glass canon http://mmdks.com/ges


    Edit: Improved version. One of my favorites builds http://mmdks.com/get


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by XachAttack on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:52 pm

    Seignar wrote:Quality builds are any build that focuses on a mixture of Str and Dex, usually 27/40, in order to maximize weapon potential and versitality. The term quality comes from Demon Souls upgrade path that converted and distributed scaling among the Str and Dex stat.

    Quality builds usually sacrifice Vit due to the points required to max the 2 stats, but they have the most consistent damage outputs, capable of utilizing any and all weapons to their max potential. Due to this, quality builds have a unique arsenal of bows and Curved Swords, in addition to the arsenals of Str and Dex builds, allowing for complete adaptability in any situation.

    The quality build suffers from losses to either vit or end (depending on the build) and is the only build that has a difficult time incorporating magic as an asset. Nonetheless, the quality build is feared for its overall power and versatilkty, but mocked for its frailty.

    This is an excellent way to describe quality builds, +1 for you dude \o/!


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Slarg232 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:01 am

    Huh, I went 32/32 for my Claymore, didn't realize I was making a Quality Build.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:15 am

    Seignar wrote:

    The quality build suffers from losses to either vit or end (depending on the build) and is the only build that has a difficult time incorporating magic as an asset. Nonetheless, the quality build is feared for its overall power and versatilkty, but mocked for its frailty.
    Depends on your SL Siegnar. I have a 125 Q build with 50 Vit and 40 End, as well as 40/40 Str/dex. It's one of the most solid, reliable builds I use in terms of survivability and stamina.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Cabjoy on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:12 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:
    Seignar wrote:

    The quality build suffers from losses to either vit or end (depending on the build) and is the only build that has a difficult time incorporating magic as an asset. Nonetheless, the quality build is feared for its overall power and versatilkty, but mocked for its frailty.
    Depends on your SL Siegnar. I have a 125 Q build with 50 Vit and 40 End, as well as 40/40 Str/dex. It's one of the most solid, reliable builds I use in terms of survivability and stamina.

    I've got the same, but with 40 Vit and 50 End. Good times indeed.
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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:09 am

    Quality builds are the perfect excuse for ranting about buffs lol. I myself have to sacrifice my buff when fighting one of these builds.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:43 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Quality builds are the perfect excuse for ranting about buffs lol. I myself have to sacrifice my buff when fighting one of these builds.

    huh?


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by passivefamiliar on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:22 pm

    This thread makes me miss boletaria. The upgrade system in that was way better, in my opinion.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:16 pm

    passivefamiliar wrote:This thread makes me miss boletaria. The upgrade system in that was way better, in my opinion.

    I was browsing the Xbox Dark Souls forum recently, and someone was complaining about how the upgrade system in Dark wasn't very clear. They should have played DeS....talk about cryptic. Remember how certain weapons had branching paths at odd numbers like +7, and if you went over, you kind of missed your chance to go that route? You could always strip the weapon, but nobody ever wanted to do that because some materials were so hard to find.
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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by XachAttack on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:32 am

    Back Lot Basher wrote:
    passivefamiliar wrote:This thread makes me miss boletaria. The upgrade system in that was way better, in my opinion.

    I was browsing the Xbox Dark Souls forum recently, and someone was complaining about how the upgrade system in Dark wasn't very clear. They should have played DeS....talk about cryptic. Remember how certain weapons had branching paths at odd numbers like +7, and if you went over, you kind of missed your chance to go that route? You could always strip the weapon, but nobody ever wanted to do that because some materials were so hard to find.

    That, and there's only one meltsone in the entire game! Unless there's more that I haven't found o.O.


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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by Seignar on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:26 am

    You could always farm meltstones off flaming lizards. Their drop rate is somewhere equivalent to pure bladestone. Have fun!
    But continuing a bit off-topic, I really hated upgrade paths in Demon Souls. So costy, hard and a good amount were less than useful except for gimmicky invasions or hosting (Fatal Estoc + Hidden Soul; not many have experienced it, but oh boy, it's like fighting a ghost)

    On topic, I do remember having a Q build with no drawbacks at SL120, but usually anywhere lower comes with a price. Even at SL120, many quality builds have difficult times adding in any high-level magic. So Q builds are the ultimate build optimized for melee in any situation, having arsenals going from spears to bows to axes to halberds to swords; most of the time having higher than average AR due to minor scalings like E.

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    Re: What exactly is a "Quality" build?

    Post by XachAttack on Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:31 am

    Seignar wrote:You could always farm meltstones off flaming lizards. Their drop rate is somewhere equivalent to pure bladestone. Have fun!

    Lol, screw that XD. Interesting though, I never knew they dropped those o-o.

    Quality builds are really fun, my main build is a quality. A pretty annoying part about it though..is finding all the materials to upgrade all of your weapons >_>.


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