Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

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    Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:03 pm

    Thanks to the vids of the weapons showcase that Forum Pirate put up I found this video. Its the same guy doing a magic showcase.


    He's using maxed stats and what I would assume to be the best possible catalysts to cast the spells. It looks like magic is outdone by miracles as far as raw damage goes at maxed stats. Especially the weapon buffs which seem to far out do magic weapon buffs.


    Not sure if the numbers I'm seeing are totally accurate but I found this interesting.
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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by deathsdragon on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:22 pm

    Um mind posting the video link in question?


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:24 pm

    Are you trying to tell me that CSS using crown and dragon ring does less than Sun spear?

    Im sorry but i gotta call bull **** on that without seeing evidence, no way.


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:38 pm

    Oh crap hahaha. Sorry guys. I don't think he's using any rings to boost the damage.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_890102&src_vid=cjmFF13qSvw&feature=iv&v=UEeCoOh5VVw


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by Teh_hapy_octopus on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:44 pm

    ErrJon6661 wrote:Oh crap hahaha. Sorry guys. I don't think he's using any rings to boost the damage.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_890102&src_vid=cjmFF13qSvw&feature=iv&v=UEeCoOh5VVw
    thats the link you got from clicking on an annotation. the normal like is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEeCoOh5VVw&feature=youtu.be but they both work


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by Artorias on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:46 pm

    The guy used oolicile ivory catalyst which is one of the worst catalysts


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by deathsdragon on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:56 am

    Yea sorry that video shouldn't be used for confirming anything, and by jolly why must he cast every spell twice to show it once?


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:18 am

    I didn't realize how crappy that catalyst was sorry guys. I've never really used sorceries so I've never paid attention to them.


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by Carphil on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

    lol

    Ask Blaine next time.


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by BLA1NE on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:51 pm

    Haha I was beaten to the answer!

    Yeah, Oolacile caps at 180 Mag Adj when you reach 12 Int! lol

    That's why I keep saying you need to use the right catalyst for your level, otherwise you will not be getting increased spell effectiveness no matter how many points you spend in Int.

    As for Magic buffing spells vs Faith buffing spells, it's a tricky subject. If you look at their multiplier alone, it would seem like Fth has Int handily beat.

    Int: CMW = 1.4 x Mag Adj
    Fth: SLB = 1.8 x, DMB = 2.1 x Mag Adj (at Max Covenant Rank)

    But, the important detail here is the Mag Adj. The Tin Crystallization Catalyst, at 50 Int, has 293 Mag Adj. That's 410 bonus damage. At 50 Fth, on the other hand, the highest Mag Adj you can get is 226, which will get you 406 bonus with SLB and 474 with DMB.

    BUT, that's not all yet! CMW and DMB *** Magic damage, whereas SLB adds Lightning damage. So now you need to take into account your opponent's defenses.

    So it's not so simple, you see!


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by papael on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:50 pm

    You all forgot the worst thing about the video:

    He is testing multi hit spells on enemies that cannot survive a single hit.

    If the common undead could survive all spheres from crystal soul mass he would likely take over 1500 damage using 50 int, Logan Catalyst, Dragon Ring and a boosting helmet.

    That said, this is just a video showcasing the spells of the game, not their quality, and definitely not their damage potential. Author should change thread name.
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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:59 pm

    I was mainly referring to the buffs. The magic ones were adding significantly less than the others. And the spears were much different in damages also.


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    Re: Magic Damage vs Miracle damage.

    Post by BLA1NE on Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:14 pm

    I don't think the author really meant it to be a comparison of strength between the different magic branches. But someone could add it in the comments that it should only be seen as a showcase and not a comparison. Wrong catalyst, no buffing equipment, etc = biased.

    Edit: my bad, misread that post! I was talking about the person who created the video.


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