PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

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    PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:17 am

    Hello these are some MAGICS builds. I dont realy know wich is the best partly because my ps3 broke so if you have some ideas as to ways i could improve them that would be apreciated and yes i like the scythe. Also i would be eternally gratefull if you vote for the build you like best.

    PYRO- http://mmdks.com/g6k

    INT- http://mmdks.com/g6s

    FAITH- http://mmdks.com/g6t

    Also the GC is for BS fishers ^_^ nothing beats my firewall


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 am

    for the int build toss dark fog and white dragon breath in exchange for pursuers, cause wdb is hard to hit people with where as pursuers is just the opposite, dark fog is only a little stronger than the mist pyros, not enough to be worht an attunement slot though.


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:23 am

    Thats a great idea i but i was thinking in putting on pursuers i lose the diversity that dark fog and white dragon breath brings. The pursuers would be a great addition wich i believe would benefit players wanting to use this build. Thank you for your contribution, if you have any more ideas feel free to tell me. Also im interested in strategies i could use with the faith and int builds. (im already pretty good with pyros since i used to cosplay Xanthous alot)


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:46 am

    Pyro
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    Get rid of Fire Surge, that thing is useless and weak. Most people will just ignore it and kill you. It may be good for a cheap way to finish your opponent, but so is GC/BF.

    You might switch GF for GCF, because that added lava effect enables you to easily chain GC/BF, Scythes running R1 into it and it can be used as a sound form of protection while casting Fire Tempest.

    Fire Whip is also mostly useless, only exception is to chain it with GC/BF, but most players will just backstab you while you use it as it roots you in ground.

    You might consider using a backup weapon, because Scythe is very predictable and a skilled player will have no problesm parrying you.

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    It would be a good idea to use or something long range, like a bow, or crossbow in cases people try to run, or cast something lenghty. With high Dex, Black Bow of Pharis would be ideal.

    Int
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    Dark Fog is useless beyond comparison, so is WDB. DF does nothing, even if it hits. Poison is not worth an attunement slotm especially if you can poison and toxic others with items. Just throw some :dung: at them if you want to see their HP gradually dissapear, or just pressure them.
    WDB is very slow, especially with low Dex, to cast and it's extremely easy to avoid. It's a killed spell in very small spaces, where you can't avoid it, but no sane person will fight a caster there. Not to mention DB doing much better job in this scenario.
    I'd switch them for Pursuers. Many players have no idea how to fight them, so it will make your life easier. Or you can just use them to make people back away from you and let you cast something else, or heal.

    GC is useless if you have Dark Bead, especially with low Dex, you would do better to pack another DB instead. DB can one shot most players if used properly.

    I don't understand why this build uses a bow, while it has no need for ranged attacks since it has CSS and can have more ranged spells, while your Pyro and Faith have no means of ranged attack at all.

    Might you consider investing 2 points in Str for MLGS. That sword is the best thing an Int build can have to melee. It's used a LOT, so you will have to get real good with it to beat skilled players, but it will be much better than Scythe, as you should keep distance to cast magic, whilst Scythe is all about running at your opponent.

    You can use PW and Bellowing for more damage. PW with your Vit should be no issue and you don't really need 56 Poise. You should either go low, or very high Poise, depending if you want to be nimble caster, or tank caster, but the middle way just hinders your options. While the idea of being able to go melee efficiently is nice, without stats to back it up and perhaps some buffs since it's an Int, it would be useless and Quality builds will outdamage you.

    There's also no need to go 50 Int if you don't use TCC and Bellowing for max Magic damage. 45 Would be more than enough for this build.

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    Force is a good choice, especially to chain it with Scythe, but you don't have Dex to back it up and you will miss it more than you'd like like this. But Force has many uses outside of this, so it's not a bad choice.

    GC and Gravelord are useless for you, again lack of Dex. It would be better to get another stack, or two of WoG.

    Unless you go to Arena, don't bother with Great Heal, or any healing Miracles at all. Rather use TWoP, GMB, or other self buff miracles, it will make your battles much easier.

    You might consider using a backup weapon, because Scythe is very predictable and a skilled player will have no problesm parrying you.

    It would be a good idea to use or something long range, like a bow, or crossbow in cases people try to run, or cast something lenghty. With high Faith, Darkmoon Bow would be ideal. Or you can simply use one of the Spear Miracles instead of a bow, but yet again, with low Dex, you will likely miss.

    There's also no need to go 50 Faith if you don't use Sunlight Spear and Ring of Sun's Firstborn for max Magic damage. 40 Would be more than enough for this build.

    I push importance of high Dex so muxh ecause I use it myself and I can usually cast any spell faster than my opponent, which is extremely handy and saved me, or at least granted me a victory in most of my fights.

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:27 am

    http://mmdks.com/g7i -FAITH

    http://mmdks.com/g7o -INT

    Something like this? Reasons i put WDB, Fog and GC on this build. WDB ive never used this and would like to lock of cast with it maybe if i get good i could use this as a surprise when going for another "running" attack ^_^. Fog is purely for zoning and obscuring los, also ive never done this before so its a gamble. GC is good when someone is using high magic def armor itll catch them of guard though GFB will do the same if i can bait them to try bs me ^_^.

    Also i use scythe because people think scythes are predictable giving me an advantage XD When i run at them they go oh a running attack roll bs or parry... wrong i roll to the left and imediately counter with an r2 potentialy stun locking them with r2s. This is only one such method i use, realy only good against smart players... But a different weapon is also good so i normaly keep a claymore or something handy in my invent.

    I am useless with Faith builds though so how do people normally fight with them?

    As for the pyros FS i find its a good way to make people choke, they will be wary at first but seeing me just spam it they will get confident then boom they close in on my scythe head XD. So you could say it fazes some opponents. I use FW as a finisher since its stagger is horrendous. Though you are correct if i miss my lockoff cast people normally try for a bs so really its my smart A**finisher -_-"

    Some more feed back on my tactics would be good also if you have any more good ideas ile be glad to hear them and perhaps (if my ps3 gets fixed) try them out soon.
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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:43 am

    That looks a lot better if you ask me.

    If you're not using GC for damage, you should switch to BF for it's higher Poise break, it can stagger people that has less than 60 Poise, making them open to some Scythe attacks, or other spells. I'm not sure with your Dex, but you could pull of BF + unlocked WoG.

    Scythes are predictable. When I see a scythe user run at me I parry, if I don't think it will hit, I will unlock, turn 180° and parry again. One of them lands in most cases. But there are easier methods to deal with scythes, as scythe users usually have only two options, running R1 and R2s, so it's just 50/50. I still prefer to evade them until they deplete their stamina (scythes, especially R2 are stamina costy like hell) and go aggresively for them.

    People with Faith builds usually use buffs and combine melee with WoG spam.

    I never found any use for FS. I know it does next to no damage so I usually ignore it and run R1 it's user, which works well with my katana, or just evade, block it. Let them have their fun and waste spell charges. Since you use Scythe, you can't do anything solid until two handing it, which makes switching from FS to Scythe pretty dangerous for you.

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:56 am

    XD maybe i can fight you sometime i would love to test out some tactics against good players. Me and my trusty scythe ^_^ perhaps you are right and the people i fight are merely garbage players? who knows, ile pm you when my ps3 gets fixed or if it does so i wouldnt hold my breath. With the switching from 1h to 2h that is not a problem since the 1h r2 is good for zoning peoples roll patterns since it comes from the right. also the r1s of the scythe are amazing for catching players that roll backwards when positioning for the next exchange.

    I like the BF idea i think it would be a great substitue for GC does it do less damage? I dont know since ive been out of the PvP scene for a while and havnt really encountered many BF users when my ps3 worked.

    Faith is pretty borring im guessing? I want to do something cool with it perhaps i will have to just use it as a once in a blue moon thing since it doesnt seem to usefull in combat...

    also what is your playstyle?


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:10 am

    I'd love to play with you, but I recently lost my data, so I got no characters to PvP with right now. sad

    Unless you fight in a prearranged duel, or in Burg, or Moonpit, the chances are that most of your opponents will be less than skilled.

    BF does less damage to HP, but more damage to Poise and to stamine if blocked by a shield. It's very usefull against turtles and to stun people for chaining, or stopping bs attempts.

    Faith is fun to play, but most people frown on it for using buffs and WoG I guess.

    I used Quality Pyro with 28 Str to use Murakumo and 45 Dex for max casting. But I usually used Chaos Blade, Composite Bow, Shotel and Pyro (BF, GCF and FT).

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:22 am

    I see, that is a bummer losing all your saves sucks i know the feeling -_- Also yea i host in the burg so i mostly get duels with no nonsence fights ^_^ wich is awesome. Though im sl 100 and there are alot of noobs at times, so to play fair i cosplay Xanthous wich is possible with my pyro build! just swap out armor, weps and ring to chloranthy. it is awesome i suggest you try it sometime if possible. I cant wait to try out the faith and int builds XD

    about the faith build are there any weird miracles that do cool things?


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:47 am

    Weird Miracles? oO
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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:04 am

    http://mmdks.com/g8i -Glass cannon

    You mean something like this ^_^ Hahaha that is a legit build


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:24 am

    XDHappyDX wrote:http://mmdks.com/g8i -Glass cannon

    You mean something like this ^_^ Hahaha that is a legit build
    Seems like a killer build to me. lol!

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by aceluby on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:07 pm

    Here is my most successful build. It's a pure caster utilizing all three magics to some degree...

    http://mmdks.com/g90

    There are quite a few deadly combos in here and typically I kill my opponent before they can even get a single hit in. The key is to find good combos of spells and CONSTANTLY be switching them around so you can hopefully catch one off guard.

    For even more of a glass cannon, swap out the TCC for Logan's, and swap out the dusk ring for the DWGR. I like to take this build to the forest and invade on the other side of Alvina's bridge so I pop up near Sif's entrance to minimize ganking. If you come across the bridge and there's a group of 3 following you it is short work to back up on the bridge so there's no room to dodge a CSS or DB to the face. The only fallback is you win so much that the battles can seem boring after a while.


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:17 pm

    aceluby wrote:Here is my most successful build. It's a pure caster utilizing all three magics to some degree...

    http://mmdks.com/g90
    That's one hell of a good build you have there sir.
    I've long since wanted to make something like this, but failed, because I just couldn't get used to so many spells and spell catalysts at one time and panicked each and every time.

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:24 pm

    Farout that looks insanely deadly!!! If my ps3 wasnt broken i would challenge you to a duel right now! That would be one hell of a fight. I think i would have to really step it up a notch inorder to kill you. Like by up a notch i mean change up all my tactics.


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by aceluby on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:11 pm

    Sentiel wrote:
    aceluby wrote:Here is my most successful build. It's a pure caster utilizing all three magics to some degree...

    http://mmdks.com/g90
    That's one hell of a good build you have there sir.
    I've long since wanted to make something like this, but failed, because I just couldn't get used to so many spells and spell catalysts at one time and panicked each and every time.

    Yeah, it definitely takes getting used to having all those spells. I find that the best thing for me is to keep the deadliest combos right next to each other. For instance, pursuers is a good first spell, followed by WotG, cast pursuers and then chase your enemy until you can catch him in a WotG to stagger and then the pursuers takes the rest. The next good combo would be Pursuers + Dark Bead, so after WotG Dark Bead is a good spell. After that I'll switch up CSS and Dark Flame depending on how I'm feeling that day and how much I'm switching up my spells.

    With it set up this way I cast a spell, switch to the next spell, cast it, switch to the next, etc... this way I can just keep swapping to the next spell w/out thinking too much about it.


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:49 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/b7a4a9a Why not all three at once?


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:56 pm

    Either INT or Faith for me, Pyro just lacks the versatility IMO.

    Even though PW is awesome, but really any build can use that spell.

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by XDHappyDX on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:59 pm

    That looks even more confusing to play farout!!!! i actually wana give this a go then perhaps we can have a pure caster Fc XDDD hellz yea. Btw why does noone use the underpowered stuff?


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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:02 pm

    Killer build, Ghadis. Why no Dusk Crown though?

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    Re: PvP Builds-Battle of the MAGICS!!!

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:23 pm

    Just for fun essentially, it's not hard to just put it on and I wanted a unique-looking build.


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