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    Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:35 am

    I'm thinking of making an archer/projectile build for Coop. But, I have some questions.

    1. Will the Channeler's Trident buff myself too? If so, will it buff me if I have PW?

    2. Are Artorias and/or Manus weak to anything? Like Magic or Fire?

    3. Is the Avelyn any good for for Artorias and/or Manus?


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Revoltage on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:56 am

    1. No the trident does not buff you, only allies. But you are still able to benefit from a trident buff if you use pw as well, so that would be huge damage I imagine silly

    2. I don't think they're weak to any elemental types, but they seem to take the most damage from pure physical. I'm not sure about this but it's just what I've observed.

    3. No it's not very good because you might be stuck reloading and vulnerable after a mistimed shot. The damage isn't all that great either.

    Archery/ranged is the most fun way to play imo Hurrah Good luck with your build!


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:08 am

    Ok, does the fog ring work against bosses?


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Rynn on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:16 am

    Yes, but only if there is another person to distract them
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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:17 am

    So, perfect for Coop. Cool, thanks.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:58 am

    Next question about Gough's Greatbow. Is it better to do 27/40 or 40/20?


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:00 am

    27/40 since bows get very high diminishing returns after 27 Str.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:09 am

    the two handing thing doesnt apply to bows wyrm and goughs bow scales better with str so 40/20 is best, but if your using other bows go 20/40 and use the regular dragonslayer bow and then any other regular bow. avelyn is good for distracting kalameet and is actually pretty good for a quick burst against manus, arty doesnt stay still long enough for all of avelyns shots to hit though.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by RANT on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:37 am

    i checked the ar and it's best to go 27-40 if you really wanna use gough's bow. total ar from 27str to 40 is not worth it since you only get one point of ar per sl. ar from 27 to 40 is only 10 which is SO lame, really disappointed with this, its still fun to use.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:25 am

    Glute told me that mugenmonkey is wrong for the Gough bow AR. I'm trying to make the strongest bow I can, since it will be my main attack. So, Gough's is best.

    Sparkly, are you sure about the 40/20 being the strongest? It is hard to go against mugenmonkey.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:39 am

    I have a 28/45 Pyro, that uses bows a lot and has one complete playthrough with ranged weapons only.

    2. I think all DLC bosses are quite resistant to magic and elements.
    In any case, don't use elemental arrows, they suck.
    Lightning Bolts on Lightning Avelyn do a good damage, but since 1.06 +15 and Heavy do slightly more damage + you don't have to worry about resistances.

    3. Avelyn is aweome, but you must know when to use it. It's bigger problem using it on Manus than Artorias, since Manus has faster lunge and leaping attacks, that can punish you while you reload it.

    Ring of Fog works extremely well when you co-op with a melee build, because bosses seem to generally care about the closest threat, unless you're a caster. Casters tend to aggro bosses most of all builds, but, unlike most games, bosses in DkS can't maintain aggro.
    If you're alone, this ring becomes useless. It will allow you to get one free shot on most enemies. Bosses ignore the ring completely when you're alone.

    Gough's Greatbow does a LOT of damage, but if you go Str AND Dex, use Composite. With 27/40 your Composite will outdamage other bows. It's a little, but noticable difference, however, Composite fires faster!
    With that in mind you can fire up to three arrows while Gough's does only one. So in terms of damage you will do more with Composite. I use Gough's only when I need to knock down, or stagget my opponent. And sometimes Pharis's when I need to snipe something, as Composite has short range and terrible aiming.

    Co-oping with a bow is great, since you can shoot a lot of bosses from places, where they can't harm you. Like sniping Kalameet from a cliff, Iron Golem from the roof where the firebomb throwing giant is and more.

    Have fun with this build. happy

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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Carphil on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:20 am

    reim0027 wrote:Glute told me that mugenmonkey is wrong for the Gough bow AR. I'm trying to make the strongest bow I can, since it will be my main attack. So, Gough's is best.

    Sparkly, are you sure about the 40/20 being the strongest? It is hard to go against mugenmonkey.

    Its very hard.

    I'm making a 27/40 for Goughs bow and it seems to be working, but its cool to test damage differences if anyone has a 40/20 build


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:09 pm

    i have a Gouphs Bow at 40str/45dex and it does 536 AR (mugen says it should be 535)

    i believe Rant said on his 40/20 Gouph bow build the Numbers added up to 436 like Mugen says, but on his AR screen it only said 300 something.

    i used to think 40/20 was stronger because of 2 youtube videos i saw a long time ago comparing a 34/20 to a 27/20 and how the 34/20 did over 200 more damage then the 27/20. but after rewatching the videos the person in the 27/20 video doesn't show the damage of the bow with Gouph arrows equipped.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by RANT on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:15 pm

    I'm pretty sure they screwed up the scaling, it makes no sense that it gets more ar with dex.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by befowler on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:54 pm

    I really, really like using a heavy crossbow +15 and heavy bolts. It weighs 1.0 less than Avelyn and seems to reload slightly faster (and you can toggle out of part of it). The bolts benefit from the leo ring too in addition to all the usual buffs, and do good poise damage if you guys get invaded. AR should be 400+ base if my memory is correct, and the heavy bolts work much better than they do with, say, a light crossbow.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:26 pm

    Some good thoughts. It might be better to go with composite/pharis. But, using Gough's is so appealing, just from the bada$$ nature of it. If anyone does testing, let me know if which is better: 27/40 or 40/20 (please?)


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by RANT on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:42 pm

    test it with your mura build and ill test it on mine and we can compared the damage output. what do you wanna test it with? hollows or someone with full giants or naked?


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:58 pm

    We can meet and do a damage test. Same armor. I just need Gough's bow for that build.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by RANT on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:18 pm

    ill let you use it so we can see the damage difference.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:48 pm

    Cool. I'll be in the chaos legion chat tonight.


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:51 pm

    its going to be 27/40 after looking at the huge damage increase it gets at 40/40 compared to 40/20 it gets over 100AR from 20pts of dex.

    and the 40/40 and 40/20 AR lines up correctly with Mugen


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    Re: Archer Build for Coop

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:51 am

    Ok. 27/40 it is. That'll let me use every bow too. Nice.


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