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    Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by FlorisFreakshow on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:42 am

    Backstabbing applies when the target cannot see nor hear you comming...
    So the use of BS is so unrealistic and ruins this great game!

    As long as the target has a lock on you, it should be impossible!'
    I hope they'll patch it!


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Rynn on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:48 am

    I agree 100%

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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Spurgun on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:57 am

    If the were to patch it, they would have to balance a lot of other things. Since they would be overpowered without BS.
    If they can keep the PvP balanced without BS, then i would be okay with it.


    PS. I have nothing against backstabs as they are right now.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by sunbro on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:26 am

    Still thinking that a shield worn in the back should half the damage of the BS


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:44 am

    Actually I'd be happy with this, as it is more realistic and I do love things like that. Perhaps though when hitting someone in the back you should deal extra damage similar to counter damage. Though considering the prospect of dead angles that could cause some issues of always being able to deal counter damage.

    But that's just not how the game works. Maybe in the next one.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Red Rosie on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:03 pm

    Id like to see them change it so you cannot be backstabbed by someone you are locked on to, and receive only 'counter' damage if they somehow hit you in the back.

    And if they are locked off, still able to be backstabbed, for situations like genuinely sneaking up on someone with fog ring or when someone is running away like a lil BISH



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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Sentiel on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:04 pm

    sunbro wrote:Still thinking that a shield worn in the back should half the damage of the BS
    Or completely reduce the damage to 0, disabling the backstab itself perhaps.
    It's ridiculous, when you backstab someone through Havel's Shield with a dagger. That thing isn't even long enough to penetrate the shield and reach for the victims back.

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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Glutebrah on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:05 pm

    i agree with this thread 100%!!



















































    not srs. So if i start to cast Fire tempest or other long cast time spells but remain locked on, you can't backstab me even though i can't turn around when you run behind me? or when i am recovering from a huge strength weapon R2/jumping attack?


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:14 pm

    You could simply make it so that when casting a spell, you can be backstabbed.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Glutebrah on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:16 pm

    Tolvo wrote:You could simply make it so that when casting a spell, you can be backstabbed.

    what about swing animations?


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Red Rosie on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:23 pm

    Hmm true, I dunno then, I dont really have problems with the whole backstab thing.

    It will be interesting to see how it all works with the next game though


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Glutebrah on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:24 pm

    Red Rosie Sugar wrote:Hmm true, I dunno then, I dont really have problems with the whole backstab thing.

    It will be interesting to see how it all works with the next game though

    it will be exactly the same because this is how it worked in Demon Souls also., only thing to hope for is less lag.


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by SillentShadow on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:33 pm

    I hope i am here for the day BS are as you all say.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Avenger649 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:06 pm

    Backstabbing is fine if people do not use it as a primary form of attack. It can make the whole point of having most weapons pointless because people just use the weapons that do the most powerful backstab.
    I think that if shields reduced backstab damage then you would get a lot more people two handing and therefore many more people actually attacking and not backstab fishing.
    However, removing backstabs removes the ability to punish certain things like parry spamming or someone using pursuers but you get rid of the dreaded roll backstab.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:10 pm

    BS is an integral part of the combat of the souls series, you gotta remember that the combat is not made for pvp, it's made for pve. The backstab is very useful for hacking down enemies with a lot of health, who perhaps you can't quite kill without BS yet..

    It really doesn't matter if some don't like it, in the end you get BS'd, you BS others doesn't really matter, I actually think pvp would be more boring is BS was removed as there's one less thing to worry about


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:47 pm

    Make it stealth mode only (like Kingdoms of Amalur, Skyrim). Monsters wander around and they don't just stand there facing you. Viable in PvE, fun in PvP for sneaky invasions but worthless for dueling. 3 vs 1 would make it a pain in a$$ to win though.


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by defacto on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:33 pm

    This thread has been made 100 times.

    Just make the backstab hitbox smaller and everything would be fine. The problem isn't backstabs, it's that you can backstab their shoulder.

    It would make PvE and PvP better. Some enemies, like Gywn's Knights are way too easy because of huge backstab hitboxes.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Acarnatia on Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:00 pm

    I really like the backstab feature; I just prefer that FromSoft fixes some of the weird, almost glitchy mechanics of it (such as backstabbing at such extreme angles and making it so easy to bs. The backstab mechanic is great; it's just too easy to perform and abuse is all.


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Aznul on Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:33 pm

    I dont particularly like that the backstab locks you in an animation, but I can deal with that. The biggest problem I have is the hitbox for it. Personally, I have a hard time landing backstabs because I can't tell where the game considers that hitbox to be during swing animations, but it seems that enemy players are BSing me when they are at my side instead of behind me. (then they rub it in my face as if it means they are good, which is infuriating :evil:)


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Elite Knight on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:04 pm

    Aznul wrote:...but it seems that enemy players are BSing me when they are at my side instead of behind me. (then they rub it in my face as if it means they are good, which is infuriating :evil:)


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:23 pm

    I'll be one of the few who disagrees and say that bsing is one of the only ways to punish certain tactics. I'm very thankful for backstabs when I fight people who heal in the middle of battle or gank me. They also mean that people have to more careful with their attacks and not just swing wildly or randomly. I find that most of the people who complain about backstabs just aren't practiced at countering them.


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:55 pm

    ^ i really don't think the game would work well without backstabs. I think they need to be slightly more difficult to preform, and do less damage. I also think most offensive spells should do MUCH less damage, and just give you more casts.
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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Elite Knight on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:39 pm

    Don't get me wrong, backstabs are a great mechanic. But the hitbox is still pretty large.


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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by Red Rosie on Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:44 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:I'll be one of the few who disagrees and say that bsing is one of the only ways to punish certain tactics. I'm very thankful for backstabs when I fight people who heal in the middle of battle or gank me. They also mean that people have to more careful with their attacks and not just swing wildly or randomly. I find that most of the people who complain about backstabs just aren't practiced at countering them.

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    Re: Backstab is a Mistake

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:07 am

    I remember people saying that BSing in DeS was better. You only got BSed if you deserved it. Dn't know why they changed it from that.


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