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    Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:00 am

    Have anyone got a confirmed list of weapons affected by the leo ring?
    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Leo+Ring

    One of my recent builds was based on the barbed straight sword, but the ring had no effect on that weapon, so I had to scrap it. I just looked at the page, but there's not a lot of info there, so I decided to start a confirmed weapons list.
    I added a few weapons I know are confirmed, but also a few unconfirmed. If you have more details on confirmed weapons feel free to add them to the list, or on this page.
    The wiki also states that only physical damage is boosted by it, could someone with an int build try the moonlight butterfly horn to confirm?
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:15 am

    There's a video from ENB that confirms it. I forgot the link though.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:06 am

    Yup that's the one.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:34 pm

    I've seen the video before, but it didn't answer my questions. But I did some tests on elemental damage with the moonlight horn, and it looks like I misunderstood the elemental bit. From what I found elemental damage can't cause a counter attack at all, with or without the ring equipped. I thought it was only the ring that didn't boost it, since the wiki claims the ring only boosts physical attacks. My bad.

    So the weapon stats can also be deceiveing if I have understood it correctly. Some weapons stats have Thrust damage which applies to their moveset, which can get the leo bonus. While others have Thrust damage for damage type, like the barbed straight sword, which can not get the leo bonus. So are all physical thrusting attacks (pokes), even if they are executed after rolling or running, able to get the bonus?


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:38 pm

    That's weird, I supposed all weapons were able to do counter attacks. Maybe the Leo Ring only apply to pokes.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:11 pm

    Yeah, I meant leo bonus, lol. Edited the last post.
    I also need to try a bit more with the butterfly spear, just to be sure I didn't mess it up.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by WandererReece on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:26 pm

    ublug wrote:The wiki also states that only physical damage is boosted by it, could someone with an int build try the moonlight butterfly horn to confirm?

    Leo Stun effect on Horn
    Without ringWith ring
    Normal attack205205
    Counter attack stun bonus287287
    Tested against fire breathing bug with 50 int.


    Last edited by WandererReece on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:45 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Attacking after an enemy hits the shield is not a counter.)


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:34 pm

    WandererReece wrote:Tested against fire breathing bug with 50 int.
    Are you sure about this? Did you attack from behind your shield? (stun bonus)

    I tested a bit more to be sure I didn't mess it up the first time. I cleared out the burg 10 times in a row, with the butterfly spear, but not a single instance of counter hits. If I switch to a normal spear I get counter hits regularly. This was without wearing the leo ring.
    My character only has 14 int and a un-upgraded mbh, so in ng+ my options of test areas are a bit limited.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by WandererReece on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:41 am

    ublug wrote:
    WandererReece wrote:Tested against fire breathing bug with 50 int.
    Are you sure about this? Did you attack from behind your shield? (stun bonus)

    Sorry, I thought hitting them after they hit my shield was also a counter. Now we have info for that also.

    I'll edit my last post.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Tomhet on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:51 am

    Mhm, I am pretty sure that you can perform counters with weapons that do not perform a pierce attack. The description of the ring is kind of misleading if I remember correctly. I haven't done extensive testing but I am pretty sure that I performed a counter with a bow during a farming run. I forgot I was using the Leo Ring and I started shooting arrows at one bloated sorcerer. She was casting the spell when the first arrow hit her head, and was immeadiatly dead. The thing is that I hadn't been able to kill them with one shot before that.

    I'm confused about the physical damage bit. ENB probably said that only the physical damage was increased because he used some kind of buff during his testing, but that doesn't necessarily mean that magical or elemental weapons don't perform counters.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Rarayn on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:08 am

    ^
    IIRC arrows and bolts deal thrust damage.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Sloth9230 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:14 am

    I can confrim that the Uchi and Iato(running attacks) get the bonus, probably other katanas too.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by befowler on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:17 pm

    I noticed that the balder side sword entry now claims it doesn't get a Leo Ring bonus on the R2 stabs, even though I'm 99.9% sure it does. I even have a BSS leo ring build, although I haven't really used it since the PS3 DLC hit. Did that get changed?


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by PlasticandRage on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:22 pm

    Sloth9230 wrote:I can confrim that the Uchi and Iato(running attacks) get the bonus, probably other katanas too.

    The Washing Pole definitely does too. I was just using it the other night.


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:32 pm

    I have managed to get the bonus with most of the poking attacks regardless of weapon, but what puzzles me is the inconsistency of other 'leo' weapons, especially the gargoyles halberd which have no poke attack (scythe moveset) and no piercing damage (at least not in the weapon stats).

    I haven't had the time to do any more tests yet. The list I wanted to make was for the weapons with lots of leo attacks: pickaxe, warpick, lucerne, garg halberd, etc. as well as spears, rapiers and swag sword. But the bonus is not consistent with thrusting damage either (barbed sword, garg halb, morning star). Btw, is it only the R1 poke of the normal halberd that has the bonus?
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by D2Synua on Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:44 pm

    Pretty sure that the greatsword gets bonus from the leo as well when doing the rolling R1 attack. Not 100% sure though.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:42 pm

    I updated the leo page after doing more tests. It looks like all the halberds (not scythes) get the bonus.

    Lucerne: 1h and 2h R1 get the bonus.
    Halberd: 1h and 2h R1 get the bonus.
    Gargoyles Halberd: 1h and 2h R1.
    Black Knight Halberd: 1h and 2h R1.
    Giant's Halberd: 1h and 2h R1 and R2. (all the normal attacks)
    Catch Pole: 1h and 2h R1.

    So the thrust attacks and the overhead slam attack get the bonus. I haven't managed to get the bonus with jumping and rolling attacks. The scythe's overhead attack is identical to the halberds, but does not get the bonus.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Juutas on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:48 pm

    Recetly I got new info in this so...Black Knight Halberd can also get counters for Leo Ring bonus (don't know exactly which attacks though, R1's at least).


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by The Letter X on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:49 pm

    Juutas wrote:Recetly I got new info in this so...Black Knight Halberd can also get counters for Leo Ring bonus (don't know exactly which attacks though, R1's at least).

    I was wondering how Tata was getting those crazy high numbers on me with the BKH.

    And looking at this list again makes me excited to try the Leo with the Catch Pole. happy


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by twilightwarwolf on Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:11 am

    hey does the clay and its r1 thrust get the bonus also?


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Juutas on Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:08 am

    The Letter X wrote:
    Juutas wrote:Recetly I got new info in this so...Black Knight Halberd can also get counters for Leo Ring bonus (don't know exactly which attacks though, R1's at least).

    I was wondering how Tata was getting those crazy high numbers on me with the BKH.

    And looking at this list again makes me excited to try the Leo with the Catch Pole. happy

    Yeah, you don't see Tata without his Leo :')


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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:10 am

    twilightwarwolf wrote:hey does the clay and its r1 thrust get the bonus also?
    Yes, but only for the thrust attack.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by Tomhet on Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:47 pm

    What about the ultra greatswords? They all have at least one thrust attack, so they probably benefit from the bonus too. I remember ENB had a video with the Greatsword and the Leo Ring.
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    Re: Weapon list for Leo Ring

    Post by ublug on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:01 pm

    Afaik all thrust attacks (pokes) benefit from the ring as long as the weapon deals physical damage.

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