IMO the DLC ruined PvP

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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Marino. on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:20 am

    If anything there should'nt be a Spell that can kill a Player in one Hit .
    Dark Bread is Overpowered no Question .


    Everything else was a Nice addition i think .
    The Weapons are cool (Gold Tracer, Abbys GS, Fork) and Black Flame is a nice addition too .
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Jovias-86 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:27 am

    hageshisa wrote:Lets see if I remember stats. Its something like:
    Vit: 43
    Att: 12
    End: 41
    Str: 40
    Dex: 18

    The build was made for multipurpose if i'd fail with giant halbard. 18 dex for BK weapons and elemental dex weapons. GFB and GC spellwise

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    Nice blue... U made the right choice goin 40 strgth 18 dex winking
    I get you really wana use Giant halberd... So the 41 end happy


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by hageshisa on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:34 am

    Needed 41 end to get fast roll with my armor combination ^^ If you'rr on late tonight we could duel some, if not, tomorrow ^^


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by hageshisa on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:45 am

    Aye, hope they get a new patch soon. I mean most OP things have been nerfed since the release. Would be odd of From to leave it this way


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by OrnsteinBro on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:31 am

    Where the hell are you seeing these spears, I've been invading since DLC and I rarely see spear users. ):


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by johnnyjwa on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:01 pm

    I too see LOTS of dark bead users on xbox. It does get old fighting them over and over. But It's not that bad. I fight pretty much the same amount of spear/wog spammers as before the dlc.


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Emergence on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:04 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Rynn wrote:I have been PvPing for 10 hours now.
    in tally, i have faced the following. (123 total matches)

    Dark Bead: 97 matches
    Wrath of the God: 9 matches
    Spear: 76 matches
    Katana: 20 matches
    Pursuers: 2 matches (I use the ring of fog, so most people don't cast it on me)

    PvP variety has decreased drastically with this new DLC, while offering very unfun and often cheaper alternatives, while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first place (Good luck fighting gankers).

    I'm utterly disgusted by this DLC.

    Y'know I predicted this. Not what you're saying, specifically, just the complaining.

    A few months ago, pre-dlc/ pre-nerf, I made a thread stating the following;

    The hornet ring isn't OP. Elementals aren't OP. Nothing is OP in this game it's just that the stronger weps/spells/items that are better at killing are far more common. This gives people the impression that everyones running around using the same gear and people only win fights because they're OP.

    I warned you then that as soon as you nerf something in a game something else will just take it's place as the strongest wep/spell/item and then that will be considered OP.

    People like to complain about things and they're always going to band together and pick the strongest force and say "It doesn't deserve to be that strong because I am not."

    You're missing the point of the OP's post. It's not that there is a feeling of inferiority to an OP spell, but that the spell itself is so powerful it is beginning to harm the diversity of builds one encounters. There really is no need for such a polarizing you vs me, us vs them tone.


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:08 pm

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    Emergence wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Rynn wrote:I have been PvPing for 10 hours now.
    in tally, i have faced the following. (123 total matches)

    Dark Bead: 97 matches
    Wrath of the God: 9 matches
    Spear: 76 matches
    Katana: 20 matches
    Pursuers: 2 matches (I use the ring of fog, so most people don't cast it on me)

    PvP variety has decreased drastically with this new DLC, while offering very unfun and often cheaper alternatives, while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first place (Good luck fighting gankers).

    I'm utterly disgusted by this DLC.

    Y'know I predicted this. Not what you're saying, specifically, just the complaining.

    A few months ago, pre-dlc/ pre-nerf, I made a thread stating the following;

    The hornet ring isn't OP. Elementals aren't OP. Nothing is OP in this game it's just that the stronger weps/spells/items that are better at killing are far more common. This gives people the impression that everyones running around using the same gear and people only win fights because they're OP.

    I warned you then that as soon as you nerf something in a game something else will just take it's place as the strongest wep/spell/item and then that will be considered OP.

    People like to complain about things and they're always going to band together and pick the strongest force and say "It doesn't deserve to be that strong because I am not."

    You're missing the point of the OP's post. It's not that there is a feeling of inferiority to an OP spell, but that the spell itself is so powerful it is beginning to harm the diversity of builds one encounters. There really is no need for such a polarizing you vs me, us vs them tone.

    I apologize for the tone then, but I still think my point is perfectly valid in reference to the original post.

    People used to talk about Hornet ring stabbers, havel flippers, and glass cannons. Now we've replaced the first two with this new factor the OP is complaining about. As I said, I predicted this and was told I was wrong at the time.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Emergence on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:13 pm

    Your point is that people are whining over not being strong enough to win. But the point of this thread was in fact to caution against lack of build diversity.


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:17 pm

    Emergence wrote:Your point is that people are whining over not being strong enough to win. But the point of this thread was in fact to caution against lack of build diversity.

    Rynn wrote:while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted
    players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first
    place

    Knight Alundil wrote:as soon as you nerf something in a game
    something else will just take it's place as the strongest wep/spell/item
    and then that will be considered OP.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:20 pm

    Rynn wrote:I have been PvPing for 10 hours now.
    in tally, i have faced the following. (123 total matches)

    Dark Bead: 97 matches
    Wrath of the God: 9 matches
    Spear: 76 matches
    Katana: 20 matches
    Pursuers: 2 matches (I use the ring of fog, so most people don't cast it on me)

    PvP variety has decreased drastically with this new DLC, while offering very unfun and often cheaper alternatives, while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first place (Good luck fighting gankers).

    I'm utterly disgusted by this DLC.

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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:24 pm

    Tolvo wrote:
    Rynn wrote:I have been PvPing for 10 hours now.
    in tally, i have faced the following. (123 total matches)

    Dark Bead: 97 matches
    Wrath of the God: 9 matches
    Spear: 76 matches
    Katana: 20 matches
    Pursuers: 2 matches (I use the ring of fog, so most people don't cast it on me)

    PvP variety has decreased drastically with this new DLC, while offering very unfun and often cheaper alternatives, while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first place (Good luck fighting gankers).

    I'm utterly disgusted by this DLC.


    Care to make a point with that?
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:26 pm

    I'm just trying to remind people what the thread is about.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:29 pm

    Tolvo wrote:I'm just trying to remind people what the thread is about.

    Sooo basically if I make a thread about BB glitching and people talk about griefing, that's related enough to be fine but if someone says that spells are "Cheap and dirty" it isn't close enough to saying "They're OP"? No problem, man.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:31 pm

    Don't assume too much out of my words Alundil, you'll make an *** of yourself as they say.

    What I was saying is that both your topic, and Emergence's fit. Not one over the other.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:33 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Don't assume too much out of my words Alundil, you'll make an *** of yourself as they say.

    What I was saying is that both your topic, and Emergence's fit. Not one over the other.

    Hmmm. Alright then, I apologize for my assumption.

    Hmmmm... yeh.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:35 pm

    No apology is necessary. Misunderstandings happen.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Rynn on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:38 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    it's just that the stronger weps/spells/items that are better at killing are far more common. This gives people the impression that everyones running around using the same gear and people only win fights because they're OP.

    I warned you then that as soon as you nerf something in a game something else will just take it's place as the strongest wep/spell/item and then that will be considered OP.

    People like to complain about things and they're always going to band together and pick the strongest force and say "It doesn't deserve to be that strong because I am not."
    Rynn wrote:
    PvP variety has decreased drastically with this new DLC, while offering very unfun and often cheaper alternatives, while cutting down on or nerfing anything that assisted players in fighting such dirty and cheap tactics in the first place (Good luck fighting gankers).

    I'm utterly disgusted by this DLC.

    Also, I am level 400, I have 10 attunement slots and can spam dark bead all day if i want to. But then I am part of the problem, and am part of why the game lacks variety. This has nothing to do with power. The DLC is just a disgusting addition to PvP.

    I feel the spell is overpowered, but that is not why i make this thread.
    My disgust comes from how these new, and powerful enough to be considered overpowered spells are released, and everything else is nerfed, which has resulted in me seeing far less build diversity then at any other point in the history of dark souls, without having any appropriate manner in which to counter it, seeing as everything used to combat things considered "cheap" has been reduced in efficiency by at least 40%.

    This DLC disgusts me, it has brought nothing positive to PvP, and only brought negative things in it's wake.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:40 pm

    I think what will be important is to see if this lessens over time as the DLC content gets less fresh. It's possibly just related to the time, which I doubt. But it still is a possibility.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:47 pm

    Tolvo wrote:I think what will be important is to see if this lessens over time as the DLC content gets less fresh. It's possibly just related to the time, which I doubt. But it still is a possibility.

    As much as it pains me to say it this is pretty much it.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:01 pm

    I invade, and it hasn't really changed much aside from a lot of GT builds. In the arena though, the cheapness really bothers me.


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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:16 pm

    I'm not disgusted by it bit by any stretch, though I believe some mistakes were made.

    From should maybe offer one last patch to players to tidy up some of the loose ends the DLC left, or, better yet, just start work on a new sequel.

    Overall, I liked what the DLC added to DkS, when accounting for both PvP and PvE.

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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Rynn on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:34 pm

    Bcc17 wrote:Alrighty I'll throw my hat in the ring.

    Welcome to Countering 101:

    How to counter all dark spells: Silver Pendant and rolling, therefor they are not OP, they can easily be absorbed by rolling into them or blasting the pendant.

    On the subject of "CSS to the face": This only happens if you are terrible at rollin

    I have no problems with the arena, in fact, its almost more fun than burg duels and such because 9 of 10 times I get paired with my friend. The other 1 tenth are noobs who are easily crushed.

    TL;DR
    Sack up, quit *****, and learn how to play.
    You have missed the point of this thread.
    Remove yourself from my thread immediately.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:01 pm

    Rynn wrote:
    Bcc17 wrote:Alrighty I'll throw my hat in the ring.

    Welcome to Countering 101:

    How to counter all dark spells: Silver Pendant and rolling, therefor they are not OP, they can easily be absorbed by rolling into them or blasting the pendant.

    On the subject of "CSS to the face": This only happens if you are terrible at rollin

    I have no problems with the arena, in fact, its almost more fun than burg duels and such because 9 of 10 times I get paired with my friend. The other 1 tenth are noobs who are easily crushed.

    TL;DR
    Sack up, quit *****, and learn how to play.
    You have missed the point of this thread.
    Remove yourself from my thread immediately.

    A forum is a place for opinions and ideas. He felt this was an appropriate response to your point hence making it valid. This is a forum. Not your blog.
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    Re: IMO the DLC ruined PvP

    Post by Carphil on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:06 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:

    A forum is a place for opinions and ideas. He felt this was an appropriate response to your point hence making it valid. This is a forum. Not your blog.

    I know you're getting a lot of rep recently, but man, you deserve it big grin


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