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    Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:18 pm

    I've probably died about 30 times to this guy(s) so far. The strategy that's worked best so far is to use warding and then get in the first one's face and two hand like crazy. This also results in him using more physical attacks than magic, which is obviously ideal. However he still likes to fly away and the second one shows up when he's only at half health.

    I've also tried using the thief's ring and doing the trick where the first one loses you, but the second one gives me problems as well as he constantly flies away, making warding mostly useless.

    I've tried without warding:

    fireball (results in getting pounced a lot)
    one-hand (CF +4) with DSS (one soul ray attack takes all my stamina)
    two-hand with Adjudicator (HP regen not fast enough)
    one-hand with PFS +4 (best guard, but doesn't help against magic)

    The only other option I can think of is to get firespray and hope they kind of jog after me. Feasible?

    My stats after beating shrine of storms:

    vit 31
    intel 19 (three slots)
    end 31
    str 22
    dex 12
    mag 43
    faith 6
    luck 11

    Soul level is about 93

    weapon CF+4
    shields DSS, PFS+4, Adjudicator
    spells: homing soul arrow, soul ray, fireball, warding

    levels completed so far: 1-1, 1-2, world 2, 3-1, world 4

    I have about 30 half moon grasses atm and tons of spice. I'd love to get four slots so I can do warding and fireball but I'm five intel levels away. Perhaps replace thief ring with ring of magical nature?
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:53 pm

    Run past the 1st maneater(great name) and up the stairs, fight him on the raised area at top of stairs, use the center pillar thingy as a blocker. The fight is much easyer up there than it is on the hridge.
    Im not sure if they patched it, but you used to be able to glitch the fight with a bow, by killing the 1st guy thru the fog gate. Good luck.

    Edit for ps. I died lots to them also, till i worked out where to fight them(top of the stairs) and then i think i won about 19 outa 20 fights after.

    Pps. Let us know how it goes please.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Emergence on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:03 pm

    If you want to make it quick go get firestorm. With your magic it will make it a short trip. If you're feeling adventurous combine firestorm with the morion blade, monk's hat and clever rat's ring on a sliver of HP. One cast per should do it.

    If you want to melee, use the center brazier as a barrier with warding.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:21 pm

    Emergence wrote:If you want to make it quick go get firestorm. With your magic it will make it a short trip. If you're feeling adventurous combine firestorm with the morion blade, monk's hat and clever rat's ring on a sliver of HP. One cast per should do it.

    If you want to melee, use the center brazier as a barrier with warding.

    I can't get firestorm because I already have fireball, they use the same demon's soul.

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:Run past the 1st maneater(great name) and up the stairs, fight him on the raised area at top of stairs, use the center pillar thingy as a blocker. The fight is much easyer up there than it is on the hridge.
    Im not sure if they patched it, but you used to be able to glitch the fight with a bow, by killing the 1st guy thru the fog gate. Good luck.

    Edit for ps. I died lots to them also, till i worked out where to fight them(top of the stairs) and then i think i won about 19 outa 20 fights after.

    Pps. Let us know how it goes please.

    With warding + sword? warding + fireball + ring? I like the second idea because I can keep my catalyst out at all times and equip the Kris Blade.

    What about when they both rush at me in the center?
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:26 pm

    With whatever you like to use, if you havnt fought them up the stairs before, go try it, way to easy if you ask me.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Emergence on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:05 pm

    If you are on NG+ and cleared world 2 you should have a second Dragon God Soul which you can use to buy Firestorm, unless for some reason you used it to buy God's Wrath.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:31 pm

    Unfortunately I sold the first one before I knew what I was doing.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:39 pm

    Well I tried using warding while hanging around the center, and managed to kill the first one. I got the second down to about 33%, but he was just sitting on the bridge and looked kind of stuck on the side. So I went in for some shots and of course he swoops back and knocks me off! *** ********!
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:54 pm

    sjackson12 wrote:Well I tried using warding while hanging around the center, and managed to kill the first one. I got the second down to about 33%, but he was just sitting on the bridge and looked kind of stuck on the side. So I went in for some shots and of course he swoops back and knocks me off! *** ********!

    Well done, almost there, just got unlucky. Do you think it was easyer? If yes, go have a break then go again. You can do it.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:19 pm

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:
    sjackson12 wrote:Well I tried using warding while hanging around the center, and managed to kill the first one. I got the second down to about 33%, but he was just sitting on the bridge and looked kind of stuck on the side. So I went in for some shots and of course he swoops back and knocks me off! *** ********!

    Well done, almost there, just got unlucky. Do you think it was easyer? If yes, go have a break then go again. You can do it.

    Yes, as long as I run away to keep them separated when the second one shows up. I'm going to do 1-3 now to stock up on grass and then try again.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:49 am

    1-3 completed, but I ended up using warding to get through the part after the red knight. Too many enemies everywhere, especially those ninjas.

    Can anyone tell me why my attack value for my CF+4 only went from 309 to 311 when I leveled up magic (I'm in the 40s right now)?
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by CrackSouls on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:01 am

    sjackson12 wrote:1-3 completed, but I ended up using warding to get through the part after the red knight. Too many enemies everywhere, especially those ninjas.

    Can anyone tell me why my attack value for my CF+4 only went from 309 to 311 when I leveled up magic (I'm in the 40s right now)?

    I think the boost on Crescent weapons and spells starts to lessen after 40 Magic, then almost doesn't expand at all past 50 Magic. It's been a while since I played Demon's, any on want to give a confirmation?


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:20 am

    CrackSouls wrote:
    sjackson12 wrote:1-3 completed, but I ended up using warding to get through the part after the red knight. Too many enemies everywhere, especially those ninjas.

    Can anyone tell me why my attack value for my CF+4 only went from 309 to 311 when I leveled up magic (I'm in the 40s right now)?

    I think the boost on Crescent weapons and spells starts to lessen after 40 Magic, then almost doesn't expand at all past 50 Magic. It's been a while since I played Demon's, any on want to give a confirmation?

    The magic formula is linear up to 99, so that doesn't make sense.

    Anyway I never got anywhere close to my one near victory mentioned above. I'm just going to break down and co-op. It's just not enjoyable anymore (it hasn't been for a while), it's just make me hate the game at this point. This is all I have left except for 1-4 of course.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Emergence on Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:17 pm

    The scaling is not linear, with the multipliers shrinking past breakpoints. Once you get in the 40-50 range, you begin experiencing diminishing returns in leveled up attack values. Cracksouls is right in saying there is little diff between 50 and 99.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:19 pm

    Emergence wrote:The scaling is not linear, with the multipliers shrinking past breakpoints. Once you get in the 40-50 range, you begin experiencing diminishing returns in leveled up attack values. Cracksouls is right in saying there is little diff between 50 and 99.

    Is there more information on these breakpoints? I saw the Atlus thread about formulas and those were never mentioned.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Emergence on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:28 pm

    No one has figured out the algorithms, too many variables.

    http://www.geocities.jp/kouryakubo/ds_en/item/weapons_attackcapability_ver5.html

    This link will be a good predictor of final outcomes.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28 pm

    After 50+ tries I *** BEAT MANEATER ON NG+ YESSSSSSSSS

    *** YOU MANEATER *** YOU *** YOU *** YOU

    AHHHHHH IT FEEL SO GOOD

    I seriously started jumping down and almost weeping. My dog didn't know what the ***.

    I used thief ring to lose the first one, then very carefully fought the second while constantly refilling spice and recasting warding. When he was finally done I stayed around the brazier and kept casting warding just to be super conservative, and only attacked when he did his hyper thing.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by JohnnyHarpoon on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:31 am

    You can snipe the first Maneater through the fog (BEFORE you enter the fog) with arrows (no fire arrows or lava bow, though). I mean, if it's really giving you that much trouble.


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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:50 pm

    Congrats, man...it's a real rush when you get past a tough boss.
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    Re: Maneater NG+ advice needed

    Post by sjackson12 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:38 am

    Thanks. Of course I beat the Old King on the first try...

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