Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

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    Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:35 pm

    I've read all the stories about people getting ganked in the Forest. I was just curious, why is it people don't just run, hide, or wait until a second invader joins the fray to even things up?
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Glutebrah on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm

    if the host has 2 phantoms that means only 1 can invade, so you are by your self. if the host only has 1 phantom then sure you can wait for 1 more.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by GrinTwist on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:47 pm

    It also feels good when your able to beat both the host and the ganker. There is a certain satisfaction to doing it, like when you have finally beat a boss you've been working on.

    I would assume though, if someone is tired of being ganked that they would run and hide and wait for someone else to invade too. Unless if there are already 3 phantoms there like what glute said, then you're all by yourself.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:49 pm

    Hmmm, someone should fix this in the wiki. It says that you can have 3 vs 2, which is what prompted my question.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Glutebrah on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:51 pm

    Back Lot Basher wrote:Hmmm, someone should fix this in the wiki. It says that you can have 3 vs 2, which is what prompted my question.

    hmm maybe you can i always assumed 4 people was max, host and 3 phantoms.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by OmniBot on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:53 pm

    The host can only summon one phantom when they're in the forest and not part of the forest hunters.

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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:55 pm

    It's too bad that the game developers hadn't build in some sort of matching criteria where anyone summoned into a world where there was already a coop helper with the host would automatically draw a second FH in with you. The host could still summon a third person (if this is actually possible). Think of the mayhem in a 3 vs 2!
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:55 pm

    2 summons, 2 invaders. That's always been the limitation I've seen in the forest. I'm not sure if the DLC changed something though.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:57 pm

    OmniBot wrote:The host can only summon one phantom when they're in the forest and not part of the forest hunters.

    Wait, just so I'm clear...if you aren't a member of the covenant, you can only summon one person; but if you are a member, you wouldn't get invaded anyway, so the only reason to do this would be to fight Sif (unless some Darkwraiths invaded, right?)...
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by GrinTwist on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:58 pm

    I don't think it has I've never been in a 3v1 in the forest and still haven't. I was just assuming I've been lucky enough not to be in that situation.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:00 pm

    It isn't as common but it does happen, I've gotten quite used to facing 3v1 when invading. Though facing a 3v2 is always preferred.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:01 pm

    Back Lot Basher wrote:
    OmniBot wrote:The host can only summon one phantom when they're in the forest and not part of the forest hunters.

    Wait, just so I'm clear...if you aren't a member of the covenant, you can only summon one person; but if you are a member, you wouldn't get invaded anyway, so the only reason to do this would be to fight Sif (unless some Darkwraiths invaded, right?)...
    You can get invaded in the forest even if you are a forest hunter yourself. That's how all the pro gankers do. They have 2 phantoms and don't have to worry about the npc's. Oh how it makes me smile when I trick them to hit one of those npc's.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:04 pm

    Another tactic they use is to summon two Red's, so that they don't have to worry about even the Trees. The two phantoms can just go out and gang up on the invader.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Lord of Ash on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:06 pm

    If I invade I go after the phantom hit em a bit then run while the host heals then I do this till they'd out of estus. then I kill the phantom if it strays finally I attack the host till its almost dead then back of so he can use his humanity up I don't care for souls I break their spirit till they have nothing then I offer them a deal to trade for more if they haven't been biitchin


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by GkMrBane on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:35 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:
    Back Lot Basher wrote:Hmmm, someone should fix this in the wiki. It says that you can have 3 vs 2, which is what prompted my question.

    hmm maybe you can i always assumed 4 people was max, host and 3 phantoms.

    I think 5 is the max cause ive been in the kinlin with 1 white, 2 reds and 1 blue summoned one red via the red soap stone the other invaded same with the blue (dark moon)


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:37 pm

    As I said, the limit is two summons two invaders. Summons can be whatever.

    Gravelording of course makes it 3 invaders, and no summons.

    Dragon is one summon of course.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:51 pm

    FinPeku wrote:
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    OmniBot wrote:The host can only summon one phantom when they're in the forest and not part of the forest hunters.

    Wait, just so I'm clear...if you aren't a member of the covenant, you can only summon one person; but if you are a member, you wouldn't get invaded anyway, so the only reason to do this would be to fight Sif (unless some Darkwraiths invaded, right?)...
    You can get invaded in the forest even if you are a forest hunter yourself. That's how all the pro gankers do. They have 2 phantoms and don't have to worry about the npc's. Oh how it makes me smile when I trick them to hit one of those npc's.

    Wow, I had no idea that you could be a member of the FH, but still get invaded by FH members when in the forest. Doesn't this kind of run counter to the idea of brotherhood within a covenant? Or ar you talking about being invaded by Darkwraiths, etc?
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:57 pm

    At level 280, I can't count on backup. So I always go in swinging with my SLB Mura or DSS if against gankers.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:59 pm

    The other day I was fighting a host+his 2 phantoms and about 3 sec. after I came in another Hunter also came in. So I guess 3 v 2 is possible. Shrug

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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by FinPeku on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:04 pm

    Back Lot Basher wrote:Wow, I had no idea that you could be a member of the FH, but still get invaded by FH members when in the forest. Doesn't this kind of run counter to the idea of brotherhood within a covenant? Or ar you talking about being invaded by Darkwraiths, etc?

    Forest hunters can invade forest hunters. I doubt fromsoft thought about lore when making that decision.

    Although, Alvina does say: "Dare'st not in any attempt to double-cross. Have no doubt, such wretchedness, never will we tolarate". So FH gankers and questers could just be traitors from lore perspective happy


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:05 pm

    The answer is simple. Forest Hunters are the good guys and...


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:07 pm

    well if you spawn right next to them, which happens a lot, you can't really do that. Sometimes i tend to get lucky and always spawn in that best point in the middle of the woods kind of near shivas armor.

    I don't know if there is something you can do to increase your chance of spawning there, but i haven't noticed one.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:24 pm

    The game should never spawn you within x distance of the host. It's retarded. If the host wants to get 2 phantoms and cover all 3 spawn points, then let them rot doing nothing while nobody spawns in.

    Anyway, I will hide if I see it's 1v2 usually. The problem is that you don't know that until you find them. For some reason, even with the ring of fog and backing off the instant I spot a phantom, they often still see me somehow and I get chased. At that point I've no choice but to bait them into going near cliffs, fire off surprise flame tempests, run to mobs if still alive, etc.


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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:32 pm

    Are you using grass crest/green blossoms,wolf ring, ext. Even with fog ring on they are able to see the aura around you.
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    Re: Why don't the Forest Hunters wait for help when invading?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:39 pm

    summoning in the forest is weird, you can summon only one phantom from the area just past artoria's crest door but further into the forest you can summon more (like around alvina's house) other wise all the signs disappear from the area near the door once you've summoned one there, i think it was an attempt to prevent extreme ganking on froms part...


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