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    Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:10 pm

    I wish I had it on video, because its happened a handful of times, I've actually seen it during one PvP video wish I could find it... As I invade before I can buff or bow, without the host seeming to do anything, I am hit and staggered 4 times in rapid succession, but its irregular hits not consecutive like the 3-shot crossbow. Usually takes me down to 25-40% health, and when I've managed to win a fight like that they've always given me 150k+ souls so its always been a fairly high level, not sure that it matters. There are also no other phantoms with him in stealth or anything, just the host. Anyone had this happen to them or know anything about it?


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by berkut on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:17 pm

    No idea, closest thing I can come up with is lag? Could be that he was hitting you with a weapon and thereby appeared like non-continuous ranged hits, such as say if he was using a crescent sword where the moveset hits at different interval lengths?



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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:23 pm

    No its happened too many times to be lag. They are always a good distance away, seeming to be still from what I can see.. and no signs of lag as far as I can tell. I'm going to try and find that pvp video.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by strangejoy on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:31 pm

    Is it possible that the host cast HCSM as you were spawning, and then just stood there and let it tear you apart when you finished spawning?


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by RANT on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:34 pm

    i see this a lot, specially when people are hosting and use the dried finger, as your spawning you take damage out of nowhere, its weird.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:06 pm

    It's definetely not HCSM... It may be a result of the use of the dried finger. I've been looking for the damn video for like 30 minutes but I can't seem to find it... you'll know when it happens to you lol. So far it seems unexplainable..


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:14 pm

    Not the video I was looking for I'm going to keep looking.. but it seems to be possibly the same effect, just with the host. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE6f5AJgYKE @ video time 9:40. Really wish I could find the video that showed it exactly as it's happened to me... but it must have been removed. This seems to be it just a lot more burst damage.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:37 pm

    what system? i saw a vid of a modder doing something like that to two people... i think they won in the end by knocking the modder off a glitch.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:25 pm

    I'm on PS3, not sure what the guy in the video is playing on. I don't think it's sometithing that can be repeated. It only happens once during the fight and always at the very beginning. Never noticed it was the same guy either... i think its just some kind of glitch maybe having to do with dried finger as Rant said?


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by aceluby on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:27 pm

    I thought it might be an avelyn, but it looks like you got hit w/ HCSM that didn't show up. It didn't look like he cast anything either. My guess is some glitch that he cast it before invading and since it was supposed to be removed the visual isn't there, but the HCSM still goes off. Given there are other 'invisibility' glitches w/ invading I think this is fairly probable.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by meridam99 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:28 pm

    From the title, I thought this was going to be a cool guessing game.

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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by RANT on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:46 pm

    the thing on the video was more like really bad lag, i was like wtf? hcsm to the face.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by eneq on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:16 pm

    What area was this?

    The forest spawn points are cyclic so a player can predict where the next one spawns for instance, if you pair this with the stone greatsword bug one might be able to trigger damage without you seeing what they actually did before you actually entered.
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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:16 pm

    Ghost phantoms, i have seen this afew times when i am phantom for a host, and the host is fighting someone i cant see. After the host has won he ask why i didnt help, turns out he was invaded and could see the phantom and i couldnt.

    So my guess is the host has a phantom who you cant see but he can see you.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:41 pm

    Definetely neither, because after being hit by it I've killed the host so I know there were no other phantoms. The video isn't exactly what happened to me, as it only happens when I invade not host. The most thing it is similair to is avelyns, but it isn't. Avelyns is 3 shots in a succession with the same time inbetween each hit. This is 4 seperate hits that stagger each time, at an irregular interval so it's not consistent with anything I've seen. If it was HCSM lag it would not stagger me 4 times the way it has even if I didn't see the visualization. It is really strange, and pretty rare.. has only happened to me maybe 3-4 times out of countless hours of PvP all with different hosts. It must be some kind of glitch, that you zone in damaged by the game itself? The only explanation I can somewhat agree with is the dried finger may perhaps have something to do with it.. I have no explanation, just wondering if others have been hit by this. Really wish I could find the right video - or just get a plugin to record for hours till I see it again lol.



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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:45 pm

    How would you know there are no other phantoms? If you cant see them? Anyways i have ssen ghost phantoms maybe 3 times in about 600 hours of play so its very rare.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:49 pm

    You mean ghost as in invisible or as in Ring of Fog? Well judging by if they are going to hit me with that as soon as I get in, then let me kill the host and run around and taunt, I'm guessing they aren't there.

    And even then I have no idea what they hit me with.. you'll have to see it to believe it


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:08 pm

    Im mean its a glitch/bug where you cant see, touch or hear them. Yes it would be stupid if they then failed to kill you, but if he wasted he stamina on 1st combo and didnt kill you, he then might have failed to catch you again before you got the host.

    Just an idea anyways, have seen ghost phantoms before so thought i would put it out there.

    Another example of this was while hosting fight club, had a red and a white with me, but they could not see each other. So i know this ghost phantom glitch/bug is real.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:13 pm

    Indeed it is. Multiple times ive invaded a host or been summoned and had them fighting nothing but getting hurt and sometimes dying. But the invisible ones have never been able t o hurt me or i them. I imagine I'm invisible to them as well. Who knows. I figured maybe someone here had hosted a match and done nothing yet the invader gets damaged or something to the likes. Don't think we'll get to the bottom of it.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by deathsdragon on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:14 pm

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:
    Another example of this was while hosting fight club, had a red and a white with me, but they could not see each other. So i know this ghost phantom glitch/bug is real.

    Yeap saw it today when I was helping a Guy kill Sif - I never saw an invasion message, then the host starts firing Crystal soul spear, Crystal Soul Mass and I see the mass firing off I was like what the? then the host starts swinging their sword and I even saw the host get BS'd by nothing lol.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:19 pm

    deathsdragon wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:
    Another example of this was while hosting fight club, had a red and a white with me, but they could not see each other. So i know this ghost phantom glitch/bug is real.

    Yeap saw it today when I was helping a Guy kill Sif - I never saw an invasion message, then the host starts firing Crystal soul spear, Crystal Soul Mass and I see the mass firing off I was like what the? then the host starts swinging their sword and I even saw the host get BS'd by nothing lol.

    Bingo exactly what im talking about. Seems the internet dosnt sink all the ps3's together right and can lead to some funny/strange things happening.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:47 pm

    Although im almost certain what happened to me wasn't ghost phantoms, more of just a bug, its really becoming a problem. I used to rarely see ghost phantoms i just was summoned by a host in forest. At least 1/2 or 1/3 of the invasions were unnanounced and invisible to me. He was using dried finger, and try as i might i don't believe i hurt any of them. It's getting bad in forest though.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by javarush214 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:34 pm

    maybe it's an invisible player i know what you mean by being attacked consecutively. and i noticed that the sometimes when this happens it seems the host has summoned a phantom which you can not see. one time i was fighting a host and suddenly i took 3 hits and shaved 1/5 of my health. i moved my auto aim to see if there are other phantoms around and as i did. my auto aim locked to a different target, but this guy was invisible, you coouldnt see his weapon or what he wore. he was just there making my life harder. as i killed the host. he back stabbed me but i still lived.

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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by Purplebuds on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:55 pm

    Even if it was an invis player, the "attack" that hit me was like nothing I've seen before (Over 200 hours logged in PvP), no pattern so unless he was swapping 4 diff weps during the attack then I'm not sure, maybe it was lag damage from a previous battle that transferred over... really no idea. This 'invisible phantom' bug is happening quite frequently. I was summoned in the Kiln and the host kept using the dried finger. 5/7 of the invaders that came in were unannounced and invisible, I could not hurt them and they could not hurt me, only the host. I think there's a correllation between the dried finger and the bug.



    Edit: I'm gonna have to record this sometime that it happens again if ever, so everyone doesn't think I'm crazy lol.


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    Re: Anyone know what this is?

    Post by JY4answer on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:05 am

    This happened to me. I'm pretty sure I was hit by 3 invisible HCSM. Not sure if its what happened to you though. I was the invader, so he must have casted it before I spawned. He also used TWoP and WoG, so yeah I would imagine he's the type to use glitches to win. He took a katana up the rear

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