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    Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:28 pm

    Although Dark Souls PvP is mostly about pure melee builds, lots of people successfully use casting as part of their build. So, if you go up against miracles, sorcery, or Dex based pyro , which one do you think will give you the biggest challenge. For argument's sake, let's assume that all three are fast, mobile, and have 0 poise.
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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Bape on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:39 pm

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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Toastfacekillah on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:08 pm

    Its not the spells its the user. A player with excellent timing and who can read a players moves well will be dangerous with any of the magic types


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by DarkMoonKro on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:44 pm

    You can always check the pros and cons for each of them

    Miracles:
    Pros: Very powerful offensive miracles(Lightning spears and WoG)
    Long ranged(lightning spear) and shortrange(Wrath of God)
    Cons: Have to join the Sunbros for lightning spear.
    Not a lot of casts with Wrath of God

    Sorceries:
    Pros: Insanely powerful once you get the crystal spells
    Numerous spells with a lot of casts
    Cons: Slow cast times

    Pyromancy:
    Pros: Numerous casts
    Variety of close and long range
    Powerful for low levels
    Cons: Doesn't scale with any stats so it might be weaker for higher levels
    Fire defense is easy to come by


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:47 pm

    The ones who used TWoP and used WoG before the patch that nerfed TWoP

    now its crystal spell casters in my opinion

    specially since i can't evade a few spells due to lag and i end up taking over 1000 damage with one shot when it didn't even come near me and didn't even actually connected to me


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:36 pm

    In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by deathsdragon on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:38 pm

    Toastfacekillah wrote:Its not the spells its the user. A player with excellent timing and who can read a players moves well will be dangerous with any of the magic types

    What he said.

    I myself leveled high enough I can use any tactic, which in a sense makes me weaker but its more fun for me as I can bust out the highest level Sorcery, Miracle or Pyro, and 1 hand anything in game beside Smoughs Hammer.

    And there are lots of players who can't, or don't due to lag dodge a Crystal Soul spear and I ht for around 900-1100 damage with it depending on their build, while WoG is easier to connect with it only hits for around 400, and honestly I havn't found any Pyros I like to use


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by JY4answer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:54 am

    Mixing up can be scary. I've seen homing crystal soul mass + large fire ball (no lock) get so tricky and confusing you have a hard time dodging all. Mixing pyros with melee attacks can also be hard to predict. As for each individual kind of magic, I'd say they really don't shine on their own, in PvP at least. Its how you use it with other stuff that matters. Although amonst the 3 I'd say sorcery is the hardest to use effectively. Its powerful, but its easy to dodge.
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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by aceluby on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:06 pm

    I love playing as my battle mage build. Very susceptible to magic barrier, but if not, it can be a very dangerous build against every other build. I switch between HCSM and CSS constantly which have two different casting delays and if you get close I can switch to two handing the moonlight greatsword which also has a nice wide arc 1h. Similar style to an avelyn/melee build, but slightly different characteristics.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by JY4answer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:06 pm

    aceluby wrote:I love playing as my battle mage build. Very susceptible to magic barrier, but if not, it can be a very dangerous build against every other build. I switch between HCSM and CSS constantly which have two different casting delays and if you get close I can switch to two handing the moonlight greatsword which also has a nice wide arc 1h. Similar style to an avelyn/melee build, but slightly different characteristics.

    No offense, but isn't that just like every other pure int build? Granted, its the most effective way for mages. Sometimes I get tempted to make an int build.
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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by meridam99 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:08 pm

    I can't count the number of times where an int caster in pvp has cast soul spear after Homing Crystal Soul Mass. If you roll to avoid the Soul Spear, they roll into you, and dead. If you don't roll, and take the Soul spear, they will spam another soul spear. This type of fight necessitates the DWGR, only type of fights that the ring gives you a "dramatically" increased chance of survival. Notice I said dramatically because I know the DWGR increases mobility in any fight, but the spell evasion versus a pure caster is WIN!


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Eliteknight on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:16 pm

    reim0027 wrote:In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.

    Greater magic barrier/crest shield don't think so. silly


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by meridam99 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:32 pm

    Eliteknight wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.

    Greater magic barrier/crest shield don't think so. silly

    I agree...until one was smart enough to wait run away until my GMB ran out.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Rynn on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:42 pm

    I find it funny whenever anyone tries to cast spells with GMB on...
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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by aceluby on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:15 pm

    JY4answer wrote:
    aceluby wrote:I love playing as my battle mage build. Very susceptible to magic barrier, but if not, it can be a very dangerous build against every other build. I switch between HCSM and CSS constantly which have two different casting delays and if you get close I can switch to two handing the moonlight greatsword which also has a nice wide arc 1h. Similar style to an avelyn/melee build, but slightly different characteristics.

    No offense, but isn't that just like every other pure int build? Granted, its the most effective way for mages. Sometimes I get tempted to make an int build.

    Maybe... I've never faced one so I don't know. I've only faced 3 mages in 300+ online sessions.

    Edit to add, I only use these tactics and rely on magic as my first offense. The greatsword is there to finish them off, protect me from backstabs, and generally keep them at a distance. The further away the easier to hit w/ CSS IMO.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by DarkW17 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:17 pm

    I have a battle mage build with 55 INT but good STR and dex also and I strickly use my catalyst to cast CMW buffed on my darksword with the crown and bellowing and I use great combustion but I have havel gauntlets and dark armour and boots so poise is 54 with pretty min weight and good defense. This combo is very deadly in pvp and ya my casting is useless I can hit over 1100 for CSS but it never hits. A few quick R1 slashes at 350 a strike and a couple great combustions=game over.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by aceluby on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:17 pm

    Eliteknight wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.

    Greater magic barrier/crest shield don't think so. silly

    It nullifies all magic, so it doesn't matter if it's Faith or Int, not sure about pyro, but there you've got flash sweat.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:37 pm

    Screw mages i cast vow of silence as soon as i see'em and i go for their asses!

    althought GMB would be nice but its just not like me to have resistance to it i like to disable the guy completely


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by deathsdragon on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:58 pm

    Scudman_Slayer wrote:Screw mages i cast vow of silence as soon as i see'em and i go for their asses!

    Last guy who tried this on me found out its easier said then done, since I just kept enough distance that Vow of Silence had no effect and he sucked at dodging.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:11 pm

    I wish I could remember where I saw the video of this Japanese player who was absolutely destroying all comers in the Kiln. He was using their natural aversion to the CSM and gettting them to dodge, then disengaging his lock, and casting dragon breath. People were rolling right into it. It was like boys vs men, the guy was so good at casting.
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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Eliteknight on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:59 pm

    aceluby wrote:
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    reim0027 wrote:In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.

    Greater magic barrier/crest shield don't think so. silly

    It nullifies all magic, so it doesn't matter if it's Faith or Int, not sure about pyro, but there you've got flash sweat.

    Well yhea, it nullifies all magic. But faith gets it, not intellect. So I consider it a faith build advantage.

    That is why my main toon is a srt/faith hybrid. I do plenty of damage no matter what. big grin


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    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:32 pm

    deathsdragon wrote:
    Scudman_Slayer wrote:Screw mages i cast vow of silence as soon as i see'em and i go for their asses!

    Last guy who tried this on me found out its easier said then done, since I just kept enough distance that Vow of Silence had no effect and he sucked at dodging.

    well then he didn't know how to use it,the thing is i do and i don't give chances to run when i see you're a caster


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:43 pm

    Obviously it'll vary based on situation and how you use the spells, but in general Sorcery will be the best, with decently arranged set up you can 1 shot people with crystal soul spear a lot of the time.

    They all have their merits but for 1v1 the pure power of sorcery overcomes in my opinion at least the utility of the other two magic types.


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    Re: Which caster type is most dangerous in PvP?

    Post by aceluby on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:56 am

    Eliteknight wrote:
    aceluby wrote:
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    reim0027 wrote:In the right hands, it is a Sorcery build.

    Greater magic barrier/crest shield don't think so. silly

    It nullifies all magic, so it doesn't matter if it's Faith or Int, not sure about pyro, but there you've got flash sweat.

    Well yhea, it nullifies all magic. But faith gets it, not intellect. So I consider it a faith build advantage.

    That is why my main toon is a srt/faith hybrid. I do plenty of damage no matter what. big grin

    Yes, it's a slight advantage against other casters, but does it make a faith caster 'more dangerous'... IMO it doesn't. Just like a pyro caster having flash sweat doesn't make it 'more dangerous'.


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