So...the deal with attunement?

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    So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Seignar on Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:57 pm

    So...how does, from a realistic point of view, attunement work? Like, you just swap spells and suddenly your character just FORGOT how to work a spell some random guy just taught him?

    How does finding spells even work? You just loot a corpse and suddenly our character knows EXACTLY how to work magic! Amazing!

    Does not comprehend...

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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:58 pm

    Maybe it's like scrolls in the Elder Scrolls games.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:00 pm

    The spells in this game are situated on scrolls. You can see em right in your inventory behind each spell icon. I got the impression that when you cast spells you're somehow casting them from the scrolls, as opposed to memorizing them, and the attunement slots are like scroll inventory slots.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by XachAttack on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:02 pm

    Judging from the 'amazing (insert spell type here) scroll' thing in the Orange Stone menu, yes. They're scrolls that you read to learn how to work it.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Seignar on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:03 pm

    But...the magic comes from either a catalyst, a talisman or your hand. So, maybe we just engrave symbols on our weapons to make the magic work?

    I can imagine the trouble people with 10 ATT slots have writing and erasing those markings every single time they want to change.

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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:08 pm

    I'm not sure. In a world entirely based in logic this all makes perfect sense, but it's a video game. For some things you just have to suspend disbelief
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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:10 pm

    Seignar wrote:But...the magic comes from either a catalyst, a talisman or your hand. So, maybe we just engrave symbols on our weapons to make the magic work?

    I can imagine the trouble people with 10 ATT slots have writing and erasing those markings every single time they want to change.

    The catalyst is exactly that, a catalyst, it is not actually magic, it only allows it to manifest.

    Also, I FINALLY NINJA'D SOMEONE big grin


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by The Letter X on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:16 pm

    For the part about "forgetting" spells all if a sudden when swapping them out, I'd guess attunement slots deal with your ability to "contain" different spells in your body/mind/soul. Whatever floats your boat.

    Attunement, in my opinion, goes hand in hand with intelligence. Master sorcerers' skills aren't measured by how effective their spells are, but also how many dIfferent spells they can throw out on the fly without preparing to do so.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:17 pm

    The Letter X wrote:For the part about "forgetting" spells all if a sudden when swapping them out, I'd guess attunement slots deal with your ability to "contain" different spells in your body/mind/soul. Whatever floats your boat.

    Attainment, in my opinion, goes hand in hand with intelligence. Master sorcerers' skills aren't measured by how effective their spells are, but how many dIfferent spells they can throw out on the fly without preparing to do so.

    So if I was a wizard and just threw out farts and burps ala Aural Decoy on accident, I would be a master spellcaster on par with Merlin?


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by The Letter X on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:19 pm

    Bcc17 wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:For the part about "forgetting" spells all if a sudden when swapping them out, I'd guess attunement slots deal with your ability to "contain" different spells in your body/mind/soul. Whatever floats your boat.

    Attainment, in my opinion, goes hand in hand with intelligence. Master sorcerers' skills aren't measured by how effective their spells are, but how many dIfferent spells they can throw out on the fly without preparing to do so.

    So if I was a wizard and just threw out farts and burps ala Aural Decoy on accident, I would be a master spellcaster on par with Merlin?

    I saw my mistake in grammar at the same time you replied. I meant that they are almost equal in importance.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:21 pm

    The Letter X wrote:
    Bcc17 wrote:
    The Letter X wrote:For the part about "forgetting" spells all if a sudden when swapping them out, I'd guess attunement slots deal with your ability to "contain" different spells in your body/mind/soul. Whatever floats your boat.

    Attainment, in my opinion, goes hand in hand with intelligence. Master sorcerers' skills aren't measured by how effective their spells are, but how many dIfferent spells they can throw out on the fly without preparing to do so.

    So if I was a wizard and just threw out farts and burps ala Aural Decoy on accident, I would be a master spellcaster on par with Merlin?

    I saw my mistake in grammar at the same time you replied. I meant that they are almost equal in importance.

    So REALLY loud farts?

    But all jokes aside, I don't think that it's memory based. Think of it as a sort of incantation that you whisper and your catalyst is like, "AWWW **** BETTER CAST NOW!"


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:24 pm

    Bcc17 wrote:Also, I FINALLY NINJA'D SOMEONE big grin

    Haha. Glad I could be of service
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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Strudul on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:33 pm

    Really.....?

    You question this???

    In a game of dragons and magic.... -_-
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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:34 pm

    Strudul wrote:Really.....?

    You question this???

    In a game of dragons and magic.... -_-

    Look Skyward


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Pratix on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:42 pm

    DARK SOULS IS NOT POKEMON!


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:45 pm

    Pratix wrote:DARK SOULS IS NOT POKEMON!

    I can't have a Suicune in Chasm of the Abyss? sad


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:49 pm

    Bcc17 wrote:
    Pratix wrote:DARK SOULS IS NOT POKEMON!

    I can't have a Suicune in Chasm of the Abyss? sad

    I thought Artorias was trying to save Suicune when he protected him with his shield.

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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:52 pm

    Pratix wrote:DARK SOULS IS NOT POKEMON!


    So you mean..... this whole time? ....aw man
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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Pratix on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:58 pm

    Yes, it's obviously Yu-Gi-Oh.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Bcc17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:00 pm

    Pratix wrote:Yes, it's obviously Yu-Gi-Oh.

    No, Magic: The Gathering.


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Pratix on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:01 pm

    Bcc17 wrote:
    Pratix wrote:Yes, it's obviously Yu-Gi-Oh.

    No, Magic: The Gathering.

    Really? I though it was COD...


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:21 am

    not WoW?

    any way the way i see attunement is this: spell scrolls have their own magic that burns how to cast their spell into your memory, people only have so much capacity for this, that is attunement. hence how you can find spells in chests or on corpses and equip them the next time you can meditate (bonfire), miracles on the other hand are bits of scripture memorized by the caster with such extreme furvor that all else is removed (the only way i can see faith affecting the physical world is with a fanatical devotion behind it.) pyromancy on the other hand is more similar to sorcery...


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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by Rarayn on Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:37 am

    The definition of attuning is to "become receptive to or aware of" something. Magic, regardless of school, is dangerous and fickle. Without proper meditation and preparation in advance, failure to cast a spell or even miscasting becomes possible. Many an impatient Vinheim apprentice have learned what failing to prepare a spell beforehand means, but few have been in any state to tell the tale afterwards.

    By opening up the proper pathways within one's mind, body and soul, a caster can cast spells without fear of lasting scars, mental or physical. The amount of pathways that can be opened - made receptive to the magical energies involved - are limited to the individual skill and wisdom of the caster in question. A Vinheim apprentice cannot expect to be able to attune his body and mind to allow the casting of more spells than his basic Soul Arrow, while a master wizard, with thousands of spiritual pathways mapped and carefully studied, can subject his foes to a vast and varied array of magical might. The more of these pathways a sorcerer can keep open and in harmony, the more spells he can cast.

    The power of miracles are granted by divine forces, concious ones or not. The spell scrolls utilized by clerics are not spell scrolls as much as the prayers and rites necessary to access the divine power in question. Miracles are granted, not learned, and a cleric's capacity for channelling these miracles are limited. Even the most fanatic follower of a god cannot expect to be able to channel their power if their bodies are not trained to receive it. Those who have tried tend to suffer seizures, and sometimes even start talking in tongues. Some just become comatose.

    Last, but not least, we have the Pyromancer. Pyromancy is similar in many ways to sorcery, yet also very different. A Pyromancer channels his inner flame rather than the power of his soul, and the attuning process reflects this. Attunement for a Pyromancer represents how much power he can exert over his inner flame. Pyromancy scrolls describe *how* to make the flame act in a certain way, but not the process of controlling the flame to act a certain way. A set of instructions are useless if you are incapable of using the tools described within.
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    Re: So...the deal with attunement?

    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:44 am

    It's magic. You can't explain it.


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