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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:11 pm

    So im not complaining....well I kinda am...

    but right now we have 4 large covenants in alliance with one another. So im for all of that, you know if people want to agree to non agression stuff more power too them....

    but how are we supposed to have Wars now? No one in thier right mind would challenge the Darkstalkers with thier 18 or so members, even more so with the Izalithians and Exiles now clinging to them....and the kicker to all of this is yet another covenant joining them, the Obsidian Knights.

    Now that leaves the NK, Gentleman of Carim, the Guardians, Successors, and Gravesworn, all small covs with unstable memberships to either ally with or constantly turn down war opportunities.

    Again not really complaining, well kinda, but trying to let everyone know how little competition there can now be within the covenants section.


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    Re: Covenants Section Status....

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:39 pm

    That's pretty lame.


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    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:50 pm

    Yes ive also noticed how the exiles and izalith have ran behind billy's protection. And a bunch of small covenants attacking one big one would be confusing, hard to plan, and just annoying. In my opinion, I dont think the Darkstalkers should not be able to have ANY allies lore wise. They want to suck everything into an abyss! Including Anor Londo which contains the painted world, And Izalith. And You are right on the account of no one challenging Billy, The only one who had the balls to do it was Wyrm, and now hes gone, and now Ahho has decided to put her Exiles behind billy's abyss. How we are going to solve this? If a few of our covenants get a decent amount of members, Im sure we could defeat them and restore order, but other than that billy has total control right now. If our covenants are 'destroyed' from losing so much and members leaving, that leaves, a unhonourable darkwraith covenant, and a two exile covenants. But if our covenants are put to death like that one Darkmoon covenant, They will inevitably be reborn, from bordem by the members. I think we just need a more balanced covenant system, Because billy's covenant is so simple, and has the most popular in-game covenant, Of course he is going to get 50% of this whole forum on his team. And I also understand he has worked hard on it, he deserves those members, but it is really screwing up our system. (Not just the darkstalkers, The alliances with the darkstalkers is making the covenant system a little unstable. Same with the lack of members on the opposing side.)


    (If I offended anyone with this post let me know, I know I probably Didint but I was letting some opinions out that may seem harsh to some people. Just putting that out there.)


    Now I like every single covenant, But this is getting a little out of hand viral you are right.


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    Re: Covenants Section Status....

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:11 pm

    Viral has a good point. However a bigger problem is how we no longer have a format for wars. Doesnt matter if we cant challenge anyone if we have no way to fight them.


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    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:16 pm

    What did you have in mind, Dough?


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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:22 pm

    Not much atm. I wanna do something with the scenarios Viral and I thought up though.


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:08 am

    Well Dough I know the NK are low on membership right now and so are the Gravesworn. Aftet your exams do you guys wanna try some small scale scenarios or just some fight clubs for the fun of it. Mini wars to the max!


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:10 am

    Wilkinson3424 wrote:Yes ive also noticed how the exiles and izalith have ran behind billy's protection. And a bunch of small covenants attacking one big one would be confusing, hard to plan, and just annoying. In my opinion, I dont think the Darkstalkers should not be able to have ANY allies lore wise. They want to suck everything into an abyss! Including Anor Londo which contains the painted world, And Izalith. And You are right on the account of no one challenging Billy, The only one who had the balls to do it was Wyrm, and now hes gone, and now Ahho has decided to put her Exiles behind billy's abyss. How we are going to solve this? If a few of our covenants get a decent amount of members, Im sure we could defeat them and restore order, but other than that billy has total control right now. If our covenants are 'destroyed' from losing so much and members leaving, that leaves, a unhonourable darkwraith covenant, and a two exile covenants. But if our covenants are put to death like that one Darkmoon covenant, They will inevitably be reborn, from bordem by the members. I think we just need a more balanced covenant system, Because billy's covenant is so simple, and has the most popular in-game covenant, Of course he is going to get 50% of this whole forum on his team. And I also understand he has worked hard on it, he deserves those members, but it is really screwing up our system. (Not just the darkstalkers, The alliances with the darkstalkers is making the covenant system a little unstable. Same with the lack of members on the opposing side.)


    (If I offended anyone with this post let me know, I know I probably Didint but I was letting some opinions out that may seem harsh to some people. Just putting that out there.)


    Now I like every single covenant, But this is getting a little out of hand viral you are right.

    Im totally willing to fight billy the only issue is that all the LH player defected to him with the Exiles.... sure I can put together about 6-8 member from various covs....but there is no fun in the cov section wars if everyone wants to buddy up with everyone else... i mean whats the point?


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    Post by hageshisa on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:13 am

    Yes Wilks, Exiled just Ran behind Billy's back! I'm sure it wasnt because the fact that Wyrms had a fued with DS who basically destroyed the good vibes on the forum. And I'm sure the alliance between DS and X was made just to annoy everyone. Not because it's nice with some peace at the boards for once. Oh yeah, until now.

    First new allience that was made for the future wars was made by NK and GoO. Suddenly, when bigger covs utilize alliences that doesnt suit you guys. The forum have too many Covs! And it keep popin up new ones. It's not wierd that you dont have enough members.. And I'm sorry that this doesn't suit you.


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    Post by hageshisa on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:14 am

    Also yo guys act like all our cov members are super active... Which they're not


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    Post by bunnywink on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:09 am

    I was under the impression that most members were tired of wars and the drama that would follow? :|

    Isn't this why we tried a different format with the RSS war? That was successful for the most part, but very hard to schedule with different time zones and availability.

    I honestly don't think the new alliances are an issue, but rather finding ways to get covenant members excited and willing to participate actively in covenant events.


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    Post by hageshisa on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:11 am

    Nice post Jules! ^^


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    Post by bunnywink on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:18 am

    Thanks, Blue. :heart:

    I'm curious though, what does everybody love about wars? Is it the "friendly" competition, the user-covenant lore, the community participation? I think it's time to think about what people expect from the covenants they join and what the leaders expect from their members. It might put things into perspective.

    Star Harmonia is a bit easier. Hahahah. I think the people who join just do it for the giggles. I don't really expect much from them - just be happy, have fun, spread the prisms whenever you can, share whenever you want to.


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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:22 am

    ^Not true. I joined Star Harmonia for serious! silly

    But, speaking for myself, what attracted me to the user-covenants was the community participation, it's a really creative way to enjoy the game, if correctly administered.

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    Post by Rudmed on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:37 am

    But, speaking for myself, what attracted me to the user-covenants was the community participation, it's a really creative way to enjoy the game, if correctly administered.

    I think this is the main reason everyone enjoys the war. I mean its the reason why I try to crash mass invasion events because it allows community members to interact in a game where there is no join session in progress button.

    ....From meant this game to feel lonely, and now we seek co-existance (through murder.....I think we got it wrong), but most importantly interaction.


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    Re: Covenants Section Status....

    Post by Ahhotep1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:51 am

    Speaking for The Exiles...we are hardly "hiding" behind Billy since our active member roster is comparable to his own. In this alliance we stand united, side-by-side!! Billy and I have both worked very hard at building our coves, maintaining our coves and attracting new members!!! We both have some very dedicated members!! Is that so wrong? I don't think so!!!

    The alliance also makes better lore sense then the LH alliance with the NK's...yet few had a problem with that one!! Nevertheless....

    Jules' has made some very good points!! I think everyone should pay attention to what she has said. And, perhaps, re-assess motivations and intent. This should be about enjoying the coves, the game...about having FUN in a "friendly" competitive venue.

    And remember...maintaining a cove is hard work. They do not function well on "auto-pilot"


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    Post by hageshisa on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:56 am

    Love the last part Ahho! :'D


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    Post by Ahhotep1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:59 am

    bunnywink wrote:Thanks, Blue. :heart:

    I'm curious though, what does everybody love about wars? Is it the "friendly" competition, the user-covenant lore, the community participation? I think it's time to think about what people expect from the covenants they join and what the leaders expect from their members. It might put things into perspective.

    Star Harmonia is a bit easier. Hahahah. I think the people who join just do it for the giggles. I don't really expect much from them - just be happy, have fun, spread the prisms whenever you can, share whenever you want to.

    Jules...some join, as I did, to get some relief from people who take this game and the cove section way too seriously. Star Harmonia is a place were one can relax and leave their egos at the door. (well, except for Billy...and he can't help himself. But he tries LOL). It is a place where one can get their bearings, again!! big grin

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    Post by Ahhotep1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:18 am

    bunnywink wrote:I was under the impression that most members were tired of wars and the drama that would follow? :|

    Isn't this why we tried a different format with the RSS war? That was successful for the most part, but very hard to schedule with different time zones and availability.

    I honestly don't think the new alliances are an issue, but rather finding ways to get covenant members excited and willing to participate actively in covenant events.

    Damnit...I meant to +rep you Jules and clicked to fast. I am sorry!!! I will fix that ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:23 pm

    The last few wars have been a bit hectic, and it'd be nice to see some cross-covenant co-operation for a bit, maybe have a thanksgiving event or something.

    But I imagine you could still have wars. Just ask to not include alliances so it's 1 cov vs 1 cov.


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    Post by tinypantha on Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:29 pm

    The Far East Trainers are allied to only the NK and we are gettings members steadily and have in mind a few things to start the forum back on the war path that i will keep to myself for a little. Till i have more members atleast


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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:46 pm

    I straight up LOVE eki's idea. :heart:

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    Post by Ahhotep1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:39 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:
    Wilkinson3424 wrote:Yes ive also noticed how the exiles and izalith have ran behind billy's protection. And a bunch of small covenants attacking one big one would be confusing, hard to plan, and just annoying. In my opinion, I dont think the Darkstalkers should not be able to have ANY allies lore wise. They want to suck everything into an abyss! Including Anor Londo which contains the painted world, And Izalith. And You are right on the account of no one challenging Billy, The only one who had the balls to do it was Wyrm, and now hes gone, and now Ahho has decided to put her Exiles behind billy's abyss. How we are going to solve this? If a few of our covenants get a decent amount of members, Im sure we could defeat them and restore order, but other than that billy has total control right now. If our covenants are 'destroyed' from losing so much and members leaving, that leaves, a unhonourable darkwraith covenant, and a two exile covenants. But if our covenants are put to death like that one Darkmoon covenant, They will inevitably be reborn, from bordem by the members. I think we just need a more balanced covenant system, Because billy's covenant is so simple, and has the most popular in-game covenant, Of course he is going to get 50% of this whole forum on his team. And I also understand he has worked hard on it, he deserves those members, but it is really screwing up our system. (Not just the darkstalkers, The alliances with the darkstalkers is making the covenant system a little unstable. Same with the lack of members on the opposing side.)


    (If I offended anyone with this post let me know, I know I probably Didint but I was letting some opinions out that may seem harsh to some people. Just putting that out there.)


    Now I like every single covenant, But this is getting a little out of hand viral you are right.

    Im totally willing to fight billy the only issue is that all the LH player defected to him with the Exiles.... sure I can put together about 6-8 member from various covs....but there is no fun in the cov section wars if everyone wants to buddy up with everyone else... i mean whats the point?

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    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:51 pm

    The turkey day co-op? Everyone spends the day just co-oping and trying to get the best mail ever?


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    Post by Chaos Spectre on Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:11 pm

    I for one never ran behind billys protection.

    When the wars between the LH and the DS started, I actually took the side of the LH, and informed my men to do the same. Afterward, Billy wanted to heal the covenants, and I was the one speaking to bring the peace. I returned Wyrm his scythe, which was given to me by billy to heal the broken alliance.

    When the second war started, I didn't want to be allied with either of them, and honestly, almost fought into a three way war. The reason i joined the DS in that war was because of my lore-wise despisal of the NK, so I took the side that made my covenant flourish.

    Billy has only been greatful of the assistance of Izalith, and I have been greatful to him for his assistance. Mostly, I don't aim to participate in the wars, but if I do, it will be on Billys side because our alliance has gone beyond the simple term itself.

    Wyrm may have had the balls to face billy, but when I fought both sides diplomatically seeking peace, the only one who would listen was billy. This alliance between these three covenants is built on trust over time, and mistakes from the past.


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