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    Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:32 am

    Does anybody know at what str level the manus cat surpasses the tin crystal one with dark magic? With my current build plan, I am getting it to 30, with 50 int. I might have to change that up if it takes a higher str stat.

    Edit: I changed the title and op question, so the first reply was for the first one.


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:42 am

    You can't

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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:45 am

    So my manus cat is forever doomed to do sub par melee damage? Darn...
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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by skarekrow13 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:02 am

    Lol....don't have it yet but I assume yes

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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by Glutebrah on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:25 am

    str scaling the magic was a rumor, it just simply does more damage then TCC for dark magic at the same INT


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:32 am

    Are you sure, ive seen a video comparison and the dark spells did more damage with higher str and the same int. The str scaling only works when using manus' cat tho. That's its special thing. It has a lower mag adj then the TCC, but surpasses it in damage with dark spells.
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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:56 pm

    Manus catalyst is stronger than the TCC only when using Dark Spells and when having a considerable amount of STR and INT. Anyway the bonus it's not worth investing so many points in STR.


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by kramage on Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:31 pm

    no its somewhat true. I have a sage freke, 50 int and 12 str. So when I got manus staff I wanted to see if it was true that str increased dark magic dmg and heres what I got. Tested on the first hollow in firelinkn in NG.

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    Cast dark orb only:

    at 12 str
    TCC = 482
    Manus = 385

    at 14 str (enough to one hand)
    TCC = 505
    Manus = 556

    Not comprehensive but I guess its a start


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:25 pm

    kramage wrote:no its somewhat true. I have a sage freke, 50 int and 12 str. So when I got manus staff I wanted to see if it was true that str increased dark magic dmg and heres what I got. Tested on the first hollow in firelinkn in NG.

    Set up:
    Black sorcerer full set
    bellowing ring


    Cast dark orb only:

    at 12 str
    TCC = 482
    Manus = 385

    at 14 str (enough to one hand)
    TCC = 505
    Manus = 556

    Not comprehensive but I guess its a start

    wtf you're telling me there are 171 points of damage extra just for 2 points of STR? There is something strange there.


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:58 pm

    He used the catalyst without the required minimum Str, that could mean the big difference. What I find strange is TCC's damage increased by increasing Str....


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by THEOGLUIGI on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:05 pm

    Your strength stat has a small multiplier value added to dark magic. Even without the Manus Catalyst one could get a little bit more damage out of dark magic by investing in strength. The Manus catalyst is much better than the TCC for dark magic but not for magic in general.


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:28 pm

    so you have a str modifier foir the dark spells, and then an extra str modifier if you use manus's catalyst which already has fairly high mag adjust, and with the way dks calculates things that extra modifier could cause alot of damage. or at least thats what im understanding from this thread?


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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:32 pm

    So, I'm deciding between getting dex to 40 and str to 30, or vise versa. I really want to use the manus cat tho. Did you guys know that its melee attack is faster if used in the left hand?
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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:51 pm

    I haven't made one yet, pursuers is just too cool lol. I'm going to try to trade, or get my friend who doesn't play DKS much to give me his manus soul.
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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:59 pm

    Ok guys, at 30 str, Manus' cat is out damaging TCC by about 30 damage on the mobs right after the township bonfire. I didnt test it from 22 to 30, but judging by the small difference at the moment, I feel safe saying that 30 is what to aim for if you want it to do better than the TCC.
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    Re: Manus catilyst and str

    Post by fujiphoenix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:01 pm

    At 31 str the damage went from 675 to 681. A 6 point bump isn't bad for one point happy

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