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    Possible BSS easily

    Post by Everynevers on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:29 pm

    I've had a hell of a time getting BSSs to drop for me in the past and I've seen many a person comment the same. When I think about it, I've only had a problem on characters that were already high in level and had high amounts of item discovery. I've recently started a few new characters and every one of them got BSSs to drop easily. Last night I got 3 w/in 5 min farming Balders for the Seal of Artorius and Balder armor. The previous character to that one got 2 really quickly as well. These characters didn't have the golden serpent ring at the time and had between 1-5 soft humanity. I also was noticing that I wasn't getting Balder Armor to drop very easily yet my high item discovery characters seem to be drowning in it... It got me wondering if the BSS is the 'common drop' and shows up way more with less item discovery.

    I know this is totally anecdotal and I don't have a very clear understanding of how droprates work but anyone else find this to be true or untrue? Just thought I'd mention it with several people saying how they hadn't got one to drop even in multiple playthroughs.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:36 pm

    Nope, I'm afraid to say with me it has always been the opposite, and I've always found that the high my SL and drop rate gets the more BSS's drop. twisted
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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Everynevers on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:40 pm

    Double damn!!! ... I was just so shocked after getting 3 BSSs in a row on a Lvl 10-15 last night after I spent hours trying to get one for my 120 build a couple months back.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by befowler on Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:12 pm

    It's confusing, I usually have a hard time getting them to drop, but sometimes you'll just get what I call a "blessed" character who gets everything really easily. Had one guy that routinely got full or nearly full drops of everything -- full balders set plus sword, multiple items plus titanite from black knights, etc. It actually got kinda annoying, half my time was spent just picking up stuff.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:45 pm

    When I farmed for BSS with ~5 soft Humanity and no Covetous Gold Ring I had a hell of a time, I did. Prostration

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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Gazman0169 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:04 am

    There's no doubt that Lady Luck plays a huge part when it comes to what items drop in DkS, as I've farmed slabs in NLR, and have come away with nought one day after twenty or so run-throughs, but the very next I'll pick up slab after slab. The same applies to BSS's, as one day I'll get nothing but armour pieces, but the next I'd need more arms than Shiva to be able to use them all. lol

    At least they're not as rare as Pure Bladestone's, I'm beginning to think I'll see a Yeti before I see one of them in my lifetime! :evil:


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Mr_Bungle50221 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:12 am

    RNG is RNG welcome to computers trying to work out random, they cant btw


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Gazman0169 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:16 am

    M8 it's too early to be using abbreviations (says the guy who plasters his posts in them :roll:), my brain's not due to wake up for another hour or so, you sound like my boss! lol
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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Everynevers on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:39 pm

    Well, then I guess the best I can do is just wish you all 'good luck'.

    I looked around and couldn't find much on it, but has there been much if any conclusive testing on what the numbers for how Item Discovery actually affects drop rates? The numbers (especially the caps 210/410) seem arbitrary to me. I hate RNG's.. playing FFxi made sure of that.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Tomhet on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:55 am

    Yup, sometimes I have the impression that having the Gold Serpent ring and 10 humanities can be VERY arbitrary. I have seen videos of people getting two slabs from the Crystal Lizards with only soft humanity. Today I used the ring and ten humanities and I didn't get a single one sad
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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:05 am

    The lizards are a different animal altogether. Item discovery does nothing to increase your chances at getting a Slab, as the crystal lizards are guaranteed to drop items (which is what item discovery does). What specifically you get dropped for you is down to random chance.

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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Veradox on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:46 am

    Regarding BSS... Just checked out my 5 characters (SL 50-100) - None has BSS, and all of them used Perish to farm 20k for the symbol, with 10 humanity happy Feels like a complete loooooser in da house...


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by SlakeMoth on Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:04 am

    A crystal lizard has never, ever dropped me a slab.
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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Gazman0169 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:10 am

    Morning Slake, have you tried the ones in the GH? As I'll usually blag at least one from them.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Everynevers on Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:16 pm

    So we know that Item Discovery only increases the chance that 'something' will drop but does not affect the chance that a specific item will drop? I was looking for information about this or threads about testing Item Discovery but couldn't find really anything substantial. Of course I may not have known where to look as I'm pretty new to the online community.

    I've never had a slab drop from a Crystal Lizard and several of the ones in the GH seem out of reach for me. I had forgotten I wanted to look into figuring out how to get all them lizzies... I'm guessing you need to use fog ring, the silent walking spell, and Fall Control. There's just some ledges that I've seen them spawn at that I have absolutely no idea how to reach.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    There's an easy exploit that lets you get all of the GH lizards.

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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Abiathar82 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:01 am

    Everynevers wrote:Well, then I guess the best I can do is just wish you all 'good luck'.

    I looked around and couldn't find much on it, but has there been much if any conclusive testing on what the numbers for how Item Discovery actually affects drop rates? The numbers (especially the caps 210/410) seem arbitrary to me. I hate RNG's.. playing FFxi made sure of that.

    First off , hello fellow FFXI player big grin. Because of that game , the items people call "rare" in this game are just funny to me. Not sure how many others were / are FFXI players but , if you ever camped Kings you know what "Rare Items" really are. I think I spent close to 6 months in line for the Hecatomb Cap Abj. ugh.......

    Back to the point of the OP though. Item Discovery in this game works very strange. It definately does not work like TH (Treasure Hunter) in FFXI. Atleast not on all enemies. It seems to work well on Mimics and the Wraiths in NLR. However the Tower Knight in Sens Fortress , I havent figured out. I usually famr him a bit for some humanity and Large shards before killing Golem. He seems to drop the shard more often when I am not using my gold serp ring , but will drop armor / weapons more with 10 Hum + CGSR. Anyway , I would love to see some numbers as well. Like 0 Hum , No Serp ring. Then just 10 Hum. and lastly 10 Hum. + Serp ring.


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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Dante_000 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:57 am

    Item discovery means nothing, spent two hours farming for the BSS last night with 10 Humanity, no CGS, as it was very early in my run, but anyway, After two hours and no drop, got invaded, lost all my humanity, killed two knights and BAM it dropped.
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    Re: Possible BSS easily

    Post by Abiathar82 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:30 pm

    I feel the smae way sometimes Dante. Seems like more of a placebo then anything most of the time. I have noticed a difference on Dark Wraiths though.


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