Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

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    Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:48 am

    Hi guys,

    I was just wondering what the difference is between each of these weapon's R1 attacks. I know Zwei is commonly used for heavy stunlock, but to BKGS and DGM have the same stunlocking capabilities? I'm using a STR build and don't have access to the Zwei with my stats, so was wondering if DGM can stun lock as effectively as it does. happy

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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:49 am

    How do you not have the stats for the Zwei but do for the BKGS and the DGM?


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Spurgun on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:51 am

    The zwei is then longest one and the BKGS/DGM seem to be of equal length. You'll hardly notice this though.
    They all have the same stunlocking capabilities.

    I remember (not sure) Forum_Pirate saying that the zwei is faster than other UGS, but i haven't noticed any difference.
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:54 am

    I only have enough for the DGM, but thought I'd ask about the BKGS as well since I know it's R1's are the same. I wanted to save my 2 levels for stats other than Dex for this build, goin all out brigand big grin
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:04 am

    The DGM is shorter but it looks badass so ignore the zwei if you only have 8 Dex. winking


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:08 am

    Yeah the DGM looks effing awesome. I've almost got it to +15 anyway, so ****'s gonna get fun real soon big grin
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:09 am

    I recommend you go crystal for more power. They can be easily bought at Shiva.


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:14 am

    Can crystal still be buffed using sunlight blade? I'm using a ST/FAI build with this lady.
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:15 am

    Yes, of course.

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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:17 am

    My god... The DAMAGE! Thanks everyone, I think I know where my attention will now be focused :S
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:18 am

    Slightly off topic, but is farmng Dark Wraiths honestly the only way to get slabs? Spent like half an hour this morning farming them and only got chunks :S
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:20 am

    Don't think about slabs if you're going crystal lol, get them to +4. The drop is super rare.


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:22 am

    Hahaha alright sweet. I might get one to +15 as a back up and then just make the rest crystal. Thanks for all the help everyone big grin
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:23 am

    yeah pretty much... and for crystal just go +4 save the slab for a +15 normal version, also have you killed the stray demon in the asylum yet? (not the one form the tutorial but its nastier brother.)


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:26 am

    Yeah, though I used that slab on my Great Club... silly I fell in love the moment I laid my hands on it haha.
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:56 am

    I don't think the DGM is much shorter, it only looks that way because it's thicker and hooked. It's a great weapon though, just be wary of roll bs.


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:01 am

    Try 2 handing and blocking with them, then move the camera so that the tip of the sword touches the life bar you'll see.


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Cabjoy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:38 pm

    Actually I've just got one more Q about this. Is the 2h and 1h R1 of these weaps identical? They seem similar in speed from memory, but I get the feeling that there may be some subtle intricacy between the attacks that would make stunlocking more effective in one grip as opposed to the other.

    Sorry for all the q's. Just curious and can't test them out at the moment. happy
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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:52 am

    Stunlocking is easier twohanded; you can roll out of the 1h stun I'm prtty sure but the 2h stun need to toggle escape.


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    Re: Zwei, BKGS, Demon GM R1 Comparison question

    Post by Siegfried. on Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:04 am

    The two-handed light attack is faster -- listen for the impact sound on each one, and you'll hear that the two-handed attack one comes quicker.

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