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    Post by reim0027 Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:21 am

    It kinda feels like the Target (or Buckler) has a longer startup than, say the heater shield for parries. Is this true, or am I making it up?
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    Post by zivbu9 Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:30 am

    it is true, the parry animations with the bukler and the target shield are very long if you compare them to other shields (the only other thing with this long animation is the parrying dagger). the target shield is a very good pvp shield if you want to practice your parry (and it blocks really nice actully).
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    Post by reim0027 Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:31 am

    I mean, the animation before the parry window seems longer to me.
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    Post by Mr. Tart Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:35 am

    Idk much about parries, but from what i've heard, most part of the animation before the...blabla..is suppose to be part of the actual parry itself. So based upon what i've read, the answer would be know. But then again, it's based upon what i've read.
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    Post by zivbu9 Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:36 am

    reim0027 wrote:I mean, the animation before the parry window seems longer to me.

    also true, the parry window is longer but also the recovery time is longer. if your parrying skills are very good you should take a normal shield instead of a bukler/target shield.
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    Post by Spurgun Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:53 am

    I've been using the target shield for a while, and i think you're right. It feels like the parry window starts at the middle of the animation, not at the beginning.
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    Post by Emergence Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:56 am

    Reim is talking about the animations that occur before the parrying window opens. The lead up frames where the arm is being raised to its apex.

    When I first tried the target shield, I tested it in pve. I found myself slightly out of sync with what I was used to and delayed the button press ever so slightly to compensate so you may ne right. I had chalked it up to an optical trick but it would merit a test.
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    Post by Emergence Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:05 am

    Whoops crossed myself up, now that I think of it more I was actually initiating it a hair sooner.
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    Post by Rynn Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:11 am

    The shield definitely has a different parry box. It's got a partial parry before and after.
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    Post by DamageCK Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:29 am

    Definitely noticed this also. Just takes a little adjustment if you're mostly a "blind" parry kind of player. It can throw off setup parries and sight parries (on stuff like clubs and the long R2's of some weapons). Haven't you been using the Target for a while now? I remember you using it back in the Sen's rooftop FC days.
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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:30 am

    Rynn wrote:The shield definitely has a different parry box. It's got a partial parry before and after.

    I definitely agree with this. I've been running a Buckler build recently and I can definitely attest to it having a funky parry timing. Definitely different from the fast parry and the normal parry speeds (the one I'm most used to)

    It seems catch some people at some strange times.
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    Post by Rynn Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:31 am

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:
    Rynn wrote:The shield definitely has a different parry box. It's got a partial parry before and after.

    I definitely agree with this. I've been running a Buckler build recently and I can definitely attest to it having a funky parry timing. Definitely different from the fast parry and the normal parry speeds (the one I'm most used to)

    It seems catch some people at some strange times.
    you can setup parry katana's.
    Try it some day, it pisses them off.
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    Post by Spurgun Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:34 am

    I want to see it before i believe it.
    Then again, some people can setup parry greatswords. While i can only do it on the third hit >.>
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    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:35 am

    Rynn wrote:
    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:
    Rynn wrote:The shield definitely has a different parry box. It's got a partial parry before and after.

    I definitely agree with this. I've been running a Buckler build recently and I can definitely attest to it having a funky parry timing. Definitely different from the fast parry and the normal parry speeds (the one I'm most used to)

    It seems catch some people at some strange times.
    you can setup parry katana's.
    Try it some day, it pisses them off.

    I would really like to!
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    Post by Glutebrah Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:25 am

    best video for parrying. skip to 8:52 for the good stuff on parry frames/recovery. he slows it all down and shows the actual iframe counts for every type of shield/weapon that can be used for parry.


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    Post by Wisp Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:11 pm

    I commented on that video a while ago asking about parry start up times, but i don't think he saw it sad
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    Post by Naxek Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:29 pm

    Very informative, I don't do much with parrying but it'll be nice to know if I decide to or see a good opportunity for it. big grin
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    Post by reim0027 Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:21 pm

    Yeah, the timing is different. To me it seems like a longer windup, longer parry window, longer recovery. I get a lot more partial parries with the target shield. And, PvE really screws with my parry timing. It is so different, it is not even funny.
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    Post by DarkW17 Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:32 am

    reim0027 wrote:Yeah, the timing is different. To me it seems like a longer windup, longer parry window, longer recovery. I get a lot more partial parries with the target shield. And, PvE really screws with my parry timing. It is so different, it is not even funny.

    Ummmm Reim I think you have the target shield figured out bro...last time I checked you have parry'd me out with it a couple times in the past silly

    I have tried the target it works good for me but I hate the 80% phys with all the turtles running around DKS I like the heaters 100%

    My thoughts and observations:

    From my experience with the fast parry ie heater/Dark Hand you need to parry and finish the parry a fraction of a second before the swing gets to you...so the window is at or near the end and its a shorter window but faster parry!

    With the target I find the 1st half will not start the window its more the middle the end of the animation that starts the window....but its a much slower longer parry over all with a much longer recovery...but of course a larger window!

    Example with a str weapon using a heater you would have to finish the parry a split second before the swing reaches you....with a target its almost a pve parry with the middle to end of the animation triggering the parry...so you can almost contact the weapon and you will still get a parry!
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    Post by lordgodofhell Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:25 pm

    I use the Buckler which is the same as the Target shield animation wise.

    The thing I have noticed is that the parry window starts before you raise the shield to the apex and do the fling move. You can hit parry on a wall to see this. Basically the wall will show a hit spark indicating it has been touched even though you have not raised the shield yet.

    I like it over the GC shield for parrying. The longer window doesnt save you from parrying too late, but it does save you from parrying too early. I would use the fast speed gear (mail breakers etc) if late parrying was my issue.
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    Post by reim0027 Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:26 pm

    That's what I thought. If you tend to parry too late, the Target Shield may not be the best for you. If you parry too early, then it is good and has an extended parry window.

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