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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:22 pm

    Seignar wrote:Scythes. Moveset logic:

    Hey! This scythe seems to be really good for sweep attacking.
    Your right, look at that range too! What should the R1 do?
    Ignore the massive sweep attacks this thing can do and make it completely vertical!
    You're a genius!

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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Silver Knight on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:18 pm

    I just dont like how the Gravelord sword is held on your shoulder. I wish it was smaller and held like Nito, it just makes the attacks a bit slower than what I feel they should be.

    Just came to mind because Im planning on making a Nito build for GLing and I would have liked to hold it that way. :cry:
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Rynn on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:25 pm

    I hate how NPC Silver Knights perform their R2's. The fact they can block during it is just... frustrating, and makes me feel inadequate while RPing one.
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Rudmed on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:49 pm

    Seignar wrote:Scythes. Moveset logic:

    Hey! This scythe seems to be really good for sweep attacking.
    Your right, look at that range too! What should the R1 do?
    Ignore the massive sweep attacks this thing can do and make it completely vertical!
    You're a genius!

    IKR? Makes total sense!


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Joichiro on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:59 pm

    the GLGS, such a good looking sword with such useless moveset and crappy stats, even now From took away it capability to stunlocking to death...
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by OmniBot on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:28 am

    Fist weapon R1 attacks. they're way too slow compared to daggers and left hand cestus/dragon bone fist.

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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by ThatPerson on Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:56 pm

    Murakumo's 2hand attacks.


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:30 pm

    I hate the Great Scythe, period. Dumb weapon that is one of the strongest in the game.

    Why not put a rake for leaves up there as well? Or why not a gardening hoe?

    "Hey look dere Jimmy! Ol' farmer John's goin' t' war!"
    "Don't them armies have Axes and maces and swords?"
    "That dun matter! He's gots his wheat cuttin' tools! Cuttin' grass n wheat and killin' people same thin I reckon!"
    "If that be true, why dun them knights and soldiers use this stuff?"
    "We's is toooo smarts for them city folk!"

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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Juutas on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:34 pm

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:I hate the Scythe, period. Dumb weapon that is one of the strongest in the game.

    Why not put a rake for leaves up there as well? Or why not a gardening hoe?

    "Hey look dere Jimmy! Ol' farmer John's goin' t' war!"
    "Don't them armies have Axes and maces and swords?"
    "That dun matter! He's gots his wheat cuttin' tools! Cuttin' grass n wheat and killin' people same thin I reckon!"
    "If that be true, why dun them knights and soldiers use this stuff?"
    "We's is toooo smarts for them city folk!"

    ....

    I love Scythe, but honestly Great Scythe is better. I use Scythe for the swag though happy


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:38 pm

    Sorry; I meant the Great Scythe. Regular scythe is actually a weapon (I think it's actually a Bardiche).

    http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/c/c1/Bardiche-two-handed-war-axe_2.jpg

    How do you scale a picture in this?


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by cloudyeki on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:40 pm

    If they had made the great scythe closer to a real war scythe it's have the move set of the halberd though. It'd have far too much range otherwise.


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm

    usually when called to arms farmers dismantled their harvesting scythes and then did a quick bit of forging to make a sword... more like a machete really but...


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Siegfried. on Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:43 pm

    Until the late medieval period, anyway, when everyone and their grandmother could afford a sword due to improvements in forging technology.
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:18 am

    Siegfried. wrote:Until the late medieval period, anyway, when everyone and their grandmother could afford a sword due to improvements in forging technology.

    If we think like that, then why would they choose a sword over a spear?


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Siegfried. on Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:34 am

    cloudyeki wrote:If we think like that, then why would they choose a sword over a spear?

    Because they're not mutually exclusive.

    Standard warrior kit in the late medieval period was three or four weapons, arranged like so:

    • Your polearm. If mounted, this is probably a lance or spear. If on foot, this is likely to be a hybrid polearm like a halberd or poleaxe. Alternatively, this "slot" might be a ranged weapon, like a bow, crossbow or primitive musket. Whatever the case may be, though, this is the weapon you carry into battle with your hands, unholstered. Usually, weapons like this are pretty disposable, because they're meant to be dropped when they become inconvenient.
    • Your first secondary weapon, usually on the left hip to be drawn with the right hand. Most people would choose some kind of sword for this role. Perhaps the apex of hip-mounted swords was the longsword; contrary to fantasy terminology, the longsword was primarily a two-handed sword that was light enough to be appropriate for one-handed use as well.
    • Another secondary weapon, this time on the right hip. To compliment one's other weapons, this is usually a mass weapon of some kind, like an axe or mace. Unlike polearms, ranged weapons and the popular longsword, they were usually one-handed as well, which is fitting. Mass weapons strike hard against armour, but so do grapple techniques, so leaving a hand free makes a lot of sense so that one can pool their anti-armour capacities.
    • Finally, we come to the dagger, which could be stored anywhere convenient. Everyone goes into battle with a dagger, and it's very important. You can save yourself from a grapple with one, get between the plates in armour, thrust through chain, parry and more with it. Someone without a dagger is at a huge disadvantage at literal hand-to-hand range.
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:42 am

    Fair enough. I'm just really tired of the various 'heroes and their mums love swords to bits' tropes.


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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Siegfried. on Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:57 am

    There's a technical reason for that. Swords are easily carried, socially acceptable (that is, you didn't look like a loon for taking one everywhere) and beyond versatile. A sword is a weapon that doesn't necessarily have a lot of strengths, but it also has very few weaknesses.

    The trinity of "masterful" close combat weapons is comprised of staves, swords and daggers. These weapons, or weapons based on them, have the highest skill ceiling of all close combat weapons. Someone who is genuinely an exceptional fighter will usually be better off with these simple-shaped weapons because simple shapes can be adapted to a wide variety of applications.

    In particular, the late medieval longsword has the perfect traits and dimensions for a series of powerful techniques that concurrently combine attacking and defending, so you can parry an attack while leaving the end of your sword's length free to strike. Other weapons can do this, too, given the requisite length, but none are so admirable at it as the longsword.
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:19 am

    There really isn't any moveset i hate. I'm the type to try and use weapons with seemingly useless movesets. I love trying to land dragon bone fist R2s,butcher knife R2s, or jagged ghost blade R2s ext.
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    Re: Movesets you hate

    Post by Jovias-86 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:13 am

    What Fruit said really... Dont really hate any weapons moveset...
    And love experimenting with those dumb looking movesets, with the right build offcourse happy


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