What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

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    What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:21 pm

    Does it matter if it's Chaos or Regular +15 with max stats?

    I find that elemental does MUCH higher damage with a crit than it does poking. Even more than a regular weapon.

    So what does the highest:
    Elemental Damage? Does it matter if you have the Hornets ring, or do they scale equally?

    Regular damage? Estoc is more heavily reliant on STR, so needs a more quality build.


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:28 pm

    Both scale with Str. Estoc has higher AR but Rapier has higher critical. Will have to test.


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by callipygias on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:05 pm

    On my main I have the Estoc maxed out in the regular, divine, occult, and chaos paths, and I have the Rapier maxed out in every path except ltng. and magic, and the Rapier is always a substantially higher crit than the Estoc.

    If you want I'll run to the forest when I get home and compare the two on the forest npc's.


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by Marino. on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:14 pm

    It depends on the Enemies you face . If they have low defence, The Elemantal one usually outdamages Regular but not a Buffed Regular .

    So its useless to test it on the Hollow enemies in the Burg XD .
    Someone has to offer their body to test the damage on .


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by callipygias on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:27 pm

    Well, he's asking about max stats, and I've never once had an elemental outdamage +15. My stats aren't maxed, but str and dex are settled at 88.

    The forest npc's are fairly good indicators, I think.


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by Marino. on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:34 pm

    callipygias wrote:Well, he's asking about max stats, and I've never once had an elemental outdamage +15. My stats aren't maxed, but str and dex are settled at 88.

    The forest npc's are fairly good indicators, I think.

    Oh he said max stats ? Perhaps i should read an OP before responding to it . I just assumed he meant to do a PVP build with 40 Dex or so idk silly

    If you have max stats of course the +15 outdamages it silly lol!
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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by DarkW17 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:55 pm

    The rapier will always out crit an estoc...the main advantage of the estoc is the massive dmg thrusts it can do.

    Now on the topic of elemental vs reg it will take a 40 str 40 dex Q build for a +15 rapier to basically do close to the dmg a chaos rapier +5 does...even then its still a little less....its sad how much stats you have to invest into a reg weapon to even compare to a elemental.

    Now that being said you obviously can buff a +15 but i find the buff doesn't transfer as much dmg as you would think it will.

    here is a video of mine using a Q build and hornets ring against the same guy and same armour....showing how close a +15 is vs a chaos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apwuFMp-X2A



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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:11 pm

    In almost every case, a +15 will outdamage an elemental. However, when most of the weapon's damage is critical, that isn't always the case. Maybe split damage doesn't apply? For the Rapier, elementals will often outdamage +15, depending on your opponent's armor.

    Check out this link. I did damage tests for many weapons (+15 and elementals) against different armor sets.

    mediafire.com view/?99mrdwflau16l7e


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by DarkW17 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:42 pm

    I don't get it either Reim and any other case +15 is always better....but with critical weapons the chaos just kills the +15!

    Considering a rapier uses almost base stats its pretty scary what a chaos can do!


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:47 pm

    It may be that the crit part of the damage ignores elemental resistances? But, yeah, I'm using a lightning or Chaos as my rapier.


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    Re: What does higher crit damage, Rapier or Estoc

    Post by DarkW17 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:13 pm

    Well I am pretty sure that's what I have heard also....it makes sense I don't see how else they can do so much dmg otherwise!


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