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    Post by RANT on Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:35 pm

    So with the new dlc and the nerf of the dwgr I noticed people talk about how str weapons are more viable now because of stunlock, I don't get it, gs' speed are slower which means toggling out is gonna be a lot easier, the most popular sl is. Probably gonna be sl 99(I know it's 100 but I don't care, sl 99 is classy) which gives you know room to one hand pure str weapons for the exception of very few weapons like the msgs and I know 27 str gives you 40str ar(2h) but you lose the 1h attacks which adds a lot more strategy on a lot of weapons imo, I always one hand my weapons and I feel they're better that way. So they're all really *** heavy, the lightest ones weight 10, my beloved weights 18 and leaves me very little room for poise which I need because I need to trade hits which in the end is a win for me most of the times specially since I prefer fast rolling becauseif a tank goes against a good caster will lead to death most of the time.

    I guess it's a good thing though since it will bring more variety to PvP and we won't see as much hr fishers like we have since day one, I'm just really surprised by this. Also I did this know my phone since I'm away from home, otherwise this would've been written better and more detailed.


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    Post by Siegfried. on Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:43 pm

    Strength builds will be more viable because with the DWGR nerf comes the need to choose between speed and poise. So characters will either have high speed or high poise; if they have both, they'll have almost nothing in their damage stats and have to resort to the nerfed elemental weapons. Lower poise characters will therefore be much more vulnerable to strength weapon attacks and higher poise ones will be more easily struck.

    With the reduction of soul level in standard PvP play also comes the increased importance of streamlining a build. The +50% strength increase for two-handing a weapon now becomes not just a benefit but perhaps a necessity for some builds. For instance, strength builds might be the only ones to break the elemental weapon mold in the SL50 arena apart from intelligence-based buffers and Obsidian Greatsword builds.

    Remember, the difference between 27 and 40 strength is a whopping 13 points. That's hugely beneficial, especially if your strength weapon of choice requires 27 or less strength. I'm partial to the zweihander, for instance, which means that I'm already one-handing by the time I hit 27 strength and there are no problems. And since I might want to keep my weight down, I'll probably not use greatshields anyway, removing the need for additional strength.

    When you bring all these factors together, it seems as though strength weapons will get a pretty significant boost. Not before time, either, since dexterity weapons have been pretty dominant for quite some time.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:21 am

    I agree with you rant I don't see why they're popular if having as little weight as possible is the main concern now. Going <25% equipload with a DGA ain't no piece of cake.


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    Post by Jansports on Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:56 am

    alot of people seem to not mind midrolling.

    A lot of people don't seem to remember WoG the same way I do I guess.

    No matter the reason for Str builds being more popular these days I'm pretty glad about it
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    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:45 am

    I'm actually not that happy thAt they're popular because of stunlocking(and I liked being one of the few proper pvpers that use str weapons, not talking about you usual crapppy hr backstabber) will be easier which is what people think since most people won't have as much poise but they're very wrong, dex builds can still stack poise with very little sacrifice and stunlocking is so easy to get out of if you practice toggling out just a little bit so it's not really about the stjnlocking which leads me to believe that they're not really thinking or may not know about toggling out. Also midrolling builds will get destroyed by a good caster anyway.


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    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:51 am

    It's the hipster thing to do now that no-one is going to be wearing heavy armor come the nerf because they can't have their beloved DWGR: Try carrying around a BKGA and fast rolling, not easy by any means.
    There's been a resurgence in interest in these weapons as, though they may not become more viable, they now offer advantages without having someone with the DWGR carry a weapon as heavy as yours, wear armor as heavy as yours, and move a hell of a lot faster. Imagine a fast rolling Str build that sacrifices poise or a Mid rolling one that sacrifices mobility going against a Flipping Giants Light Zwei user: The other guy has every advantage over you. But with the nerf, having a Str build means you have the advantage in stunlock and damage while sacrificing either mobility or poise/defense.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:53 am

    No, they won't need to choose between speed and poise.

    Know why? the wolf ring. I'd put good money things will be back to str weapons being uncommon and ug builds underpowered in no time.

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    Re: str builds are now popular? HOW?

    Post by RagingPanic on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:04 am

    The DWGR nerf made people think more about their build and essentially forces creativity, which is good. And besides, Str. builds are supposed to be slow, right?


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    You know what, instead of having this same debate for the 40th time i'm linking one, for those who care. Both sides are presented reasonably well, though obviously I believe my side to be correct.

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    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:15 am

    I really don't think it's all about the dwgr getting nerd which it does have a little to do with it but more about people just going with either fast roll or med roll which I saw more before the nerf of the dwgr was even mentioned, I have fought a lot of med rollers and some good fat rollers too. I think it's mostly about people not knowing about things like toggling out which makes stunlocking non existent.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:21 am

    Its about a lot more than the beiber ring, I don't actually know which side rynn is on (if she's on one at all) but its her I'm debating with.


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    Post by RagingPanic on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:26 am

    I feel like the community is maturing, but I PvP in the forest so my point of view may not be valid..


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    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:11 am

    Using the Wolf ring and mid roll, it's not hard to get to 105+ poise, a huge advantage over 54 poise. It's still choosing between speed and poise, but since GS can't stun as well after the nerf, the critical "high poise" number has gone up to 76 so you don't get stunlocked to death by the Zwei.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:31 am

    Did you check the basic build I posted? Sl 100, 76 poise, 40 end. Thats my point. Dex can still hit the ug breakpoint, thus removing the biggest potential strength of ug weapons under sl 150 or so. Dex weapons are quite capable of doing just as much damage, having better range, having spells for utility, are almost universally faster, weigh less which allows for more and/or better gear.

    I could argue its poise or speed now using your same arguement, but anything over 76 is overkill. Maybe 84 for 2 consecutive kat hits, but that doesn't happen due to i frames and knowing how to block. I can count the number of times a greatsword has hit me twice in one combo while I have 53 poise on one hand.


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    Str builds are getting popular because of the rumor of Hyper Armor flying around.



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    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:45 am

    @glute Yep, I was very excited about it but it turned out to be just a rumor, lame. Like forum said, after everyone realises that the rumors are just that, rumors and that dex builds can still stack tons of poise they'll all go back to dex builds(katana builds)


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    RantFromRant wrote:@glute Yep, I was very excited about it but it turned out to be just a rumor, lame. Like forum said, after everyone realises that the rumors are just that, rumors and that dex builds can still stack tons of poise they'll all go back to dex builds(katana builds)

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    Post by DJXXII on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:01 pm

    What are the best STR weapons in game?


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    Post by Siegfried. on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:04 pm

    That really depends what you want. I'm partial to the zweihander, but that's more of a str/dex hybrid than a pure strength weapon. Most of the hammers and axes have very restrictive animations, but the ultra greatswords are much more versatile.
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    Post by kazumoshi on Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:10 pm

    The large club should be on every strength builds go to list.


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    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:44 pm

    Like sieg said it really dpnds but the msgs is the best str weapon for newbies since it's easy to use and packs a freaking punch, imo it's the best gs in the game. Imo the DGM is the best ugs, been using that thing since week two. I'm talking about pure str btw, other very good ones are DGA, GA, LC,


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    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:48 pm

    I'm glad if strength builds are on the rise. For whatever reason I just enjoy fighting them more than I do dex.


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    Post by DJXXII on Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:18 am

    Siegfried. wrote:That really depends what you want. I'm partial to the zweihander, but that's more of a str/dex hybrid than a pure strength weapon. Most of the hammers and axes have very restrictive animations, but the ultra greatswords are much more versatile.


    do you mean it's better to wait later in game until you get hold of so many weapons and you can try all of their animations. and then that's the time start putting stats so you can wield that weapon?

    and what do you normally look for in a weapon (weapon stat/animation wise) ?

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    ps: I'm trying to find the best weapon that will work for me in PVP.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:25 am

    Just make a build with 50 str, 40 dex, 40 int and 40 faith, then try them all.


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    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:52 am

    In my opinion the best Str weapon is the crystal Large Club.


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