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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:10 am

    But that is a bit different, you are roleplaying not just trying to hurt others. You want to play the role of the Dark Wraith, taking humanity from your kills and turning them in to Kaathe. If you are doing it for the RP end, you are doing it for the RP end. Not just killing people for the sake of seeing them pissed off.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:11 am

    I don't support slavery, nor would I own slaves. Just because someone doesn't deserve something doesn't mean I would go out of my way to take it away.

    Rather than support the slave owners taking freedom, I would try to make the slaves worthy of gaining freedom. One can only be a slave if one allows oneself to be. Escaping it could get.......unpleasent (to put it mildly) but nothing can be gained without a price.

    Just because I don't believe in any absolute moral ground doesn't mean I don't have my own morals.

    The thing is (unlike seemingly everyone I deal with) I'm aware that they are mine alone. I wouldn't enforce them on others or condemn any person who didn't follow them. My biggest pet peeve (and the source of most of my lapses) is judgement. I involve myself in these types of threads to argue against judgement of the type generally present in these types of threads.

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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:11 am

    What's more interesting about griefers is when they invade upwards and come across a legit duelist.

    I sometimes wish to make a SL30-40 build, just so I could park it in the burg and prey on griefers. Kinda like a 'griefer-griefer' if that makes sense. I guess it'd be closer to being a PKK, or a player-killer killer (.hack and it's wonderful acronyms)


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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Desiani on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:13 am

    Tolvo wrote:But that is a bit different, you are roleplaying not just trying to hurt others. You want to play the role of the Dark Wraith, taking humanity from your kills and turning them in to Kaathe. If you are doing it for the RP end, you are doing it for the RP end. Not just killing people for the sake of seeing them pissed off.

    Pissing people off is a side effect that comes naturally when you use dirty tactics and other entertaining ways.... Like TWoP... that for some reason pisses people off even when you don't use it to chain backstab O.o
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    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:16 am

    Desiani wrote:Like TWoP... that for some reason pisses people off even when you don't use it to chain backstab O.o

    One of the biggest bits in the DkS meta is mobility/evasion, something that TWoP nicely disregards, so of course people call foul on it more because they don't wanna deal or learn to deal with it instead.

    >_> off-topic post ftw.


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    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:16 am

    @Cloudyeki first post I do that and they're pretty funny cause most suck at dueling. I have made SL 20 antigriever builds. The things about DkS grieving is that it's cheat based grieving (bb glitch). Those aren't genuine grievers, just people who suck at the game.


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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Hellion7776 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:18 am

    cloudyeki wrote:What's more interesting about griefers is when they invade upwards and come across a legit duelist.

    I sometimes wish to make a SL30-40 build, just so I could park it in the burg and prey on griefers. Kinda like a 'griefer-griefer' if that makes sense. I guess it'd be closer to being a PKK, or a player-killer killer (.hack and it's wonderful acronyms)

    Being the Sunbro that I am, I constantly run a lvl 20 Sunbro sorc who has finished most of the content. I go in, help people (read: kill Havel for them when they ask) and basically do good works without just mowing thru everything. Sometimes I get summoned to games where they are just camping kills (friend invader who just ganks white and yellow summons). I make sure to kill them every time I can, and even get hate mail about how I am ruining their fun.


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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Desiani on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:19 am

    What I can say is...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtQbENQ4Zk0

    That is how I feel when I use TWoP in Sen's Funhouse using nothing but a +5 lightning notched whip near the first boulder ramp... >.> 'Oh My... you can't roll to avoid that nasty boulder headed your way?' *crunch, death, hate mail*
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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:19 am

    We have come to the point where for the sake of survival we can discern based on previous experiences whether or not something may be a threat or it won't be. You speak against judgments when it is actually an old aspect of survival. If you see vegetation that has black spots and is a bright vibrant color, that is a hint that it may be deadly to eat. If you see something that bares fangs at you, you should assume it is not friendly. If you meet a person who wishes to see others suffer, you should not assume they are friendly based off that. Yes judgments can be wrong, but I never blame people for forming opinions. It is human nature to try and figure something out before you truly understand it, to have an estimation or guess. It can be wrong but it is never a bad thing to try and figure things out before hand. If I meet a person who wears fashion X, I might think "They look like a jerk." I don't know they are a jerk and I will say, they look like one. I don't say they are one though because as of that moment I don't exactly know.

    If a person gets a kick out of seeing others suffer I'm going to assume they are a person that enjoys to see others suffer until they prove it otherwise.

    Something you need to understand is that you are trying to persuade us to follow your ideas Forum. Similar to how I'm trying to convince whoever is reading that in general griefers are negative people in online communities. Just as I'm not above having opinions, you are not above having opinions either.

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    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:33 am

    I'm aware that I'm trying to get others to see my way.

    If you have a problem with someone enjoying the suffering of others (not that thats what I think most griefers do because I don't) help them find a constructive or generally harmless outlet (like a game) rather than judge them. They could be torturing small animals or bullying kids. Would you prefer that? They could even be quite nice outside of that enviroment.

    As it stands, to actually answer op, the things I've come up with are they like seeing others largely helpless, or enjoy winning and thats the easiest way, or they find the akward flailing of many of their victims funny or they just feel like whooping *** at something for a while.


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    Post by Hellion7776 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:35 am

    Tolvo has sold me on his Idea, can I switch my answer from "Bully" to "****". Please?


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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:43 am

    I see you haven't been reading my posts Forum, well I suppose this topic has been a bit discussed to death so I think i'm going to watch some Chip Cheesum and head to sleep.
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    Post by roanispe on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:43 am

    Do Forgive me, I couldn't help myself this time:



    I don't mean anything hard by it, some of the comparisons are a bit far fetched, in my opinion. (If you can't see all the image, try opening in a new tab.)


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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:46 am

    The slavery mention was actually because Forum mentioned that he believed that if people aren't strong enough to defend their rights, they don't deserve it. He clarified it a bit more, but that is why I made mention.
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    Re: trolololololo

    Post by cloudyeki on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:47 am

    Well if you see someone griefing, don't fall for their tricks. If they run don't immediately follow them. If they run in close and then bow, take a few steps back before bowing back. If they hide behind/near an NPC, leave and go to an open area and wait for them.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:49 am

    I got the bottom of the last page. In case that got missed.


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    Post by roanispe on Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:07 am

    Ahaha, twas only meant to be a satire, but just because the examples people make might be a bit exaggerated, it doesn't mean that they don't have valid points. I'm person who generally agrees with Forum Pirates view when talking about the game, but not necessarily his tendency to butt heads. However, you did argued in a consistent, amicable style that would make disputes the peak of civility if it was emulated.

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    Post by Siegfried. on Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:18 am

    For what it's worth, I think the picture was brilliant. /smallclap
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:34 am

    Were you remarking on my choosing to ignore your judgement is old thing? it is old, I'll give you that, nut judging people and judging plants are different. Perhaps they dress like a jerk "ehatever that looks like" just to get people to leave them alone because they're to nice for their own good. Its not likely to hurt you to find out instead of dismissing them as a jerk.

    Same with the plants actually, if you really want to know then get yourself some tongs and a plastic bag and take the leaves somewhere to be identified. It may be old, but its largely outdated in the case of both plants and people.

    By your logic I should go aroun smashing women over the head with clubs and dragging them back to my residense I know thats not what you're saying. the point is there are lots of very old practices that are largely unnessary now. Both examples fit there.


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    Post by Hellion7776 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:01 am

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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:26 am

    The problem arguing here, is Forum, by his own admission I believe, doesn't understand normal people, so he can't understand why we are against griefing in the way we are. Really there is no point trying to change his mind.


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    Post by Mordreid on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:44 am

    Griefing is just a way to ruin the game experience for others and the people doing it just feels good about themselves when causing someone else grief.
    It is sad, and I do in some way pity them but I do not approve of their playstyle at all. Griefing in all its forms, whatever game it may be is just lame. Sure they have paid for the game as the rest of us, but that still doesnt condone their actions. Their behaviour is damaging to the DS community and might scare away new players worst case. I recommend DS to all my friends since I consider this to be the best RPG released in years. But I do hope they do not get caught by griefers.
    But the problem is easily solved, if you experience a griefer then logg off PSN/Live and go back again. Chances are they wont be there again. If not, report their gamertag/profile and indict their *** and let the Darkwraiths hunt them down.

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    Post by Hellion7776 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:46 am

    At least he has been amiable with his discussion. I'm always relieved with a thread that doesn't end with it being locked due to someone calling another a Poopoo face, dingleberry thief!

    ... i hate it when that happens...


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    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:00 am

    Hellion7776 wrote:At least he has been amiable with his discussion. I'm always relieved with a thread that doesn't end with it being locked due to someone calling another a Poopoo face, dingleberry thief!

    ... i hate it when that happens...
    Thats a silly idea, and you are silly for having it you dingleberry face, poopoo thief silly


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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:44 am

    Griefing can be entertaining at times I will admit.

    Ive dabbled in about all the community's pet hates and from a totally impassive stand point there is nothing wrong with it.

    This point is argued a lot but is never truely accepted by people as they are too close to it or simply refuse to view the oppositions perspective.

    I can be fun for the player. It is not wrong just frowned upon. Just because its annoying doesnt mean you should condemn it. Its merely another aspect of play.... and like any human action or characteristic it is part of the human condition on a lesser scale.

    In some ways I dont like it. Infact I hate it when someone kills me in a manner I find 'cheap' but taking a step back it is part of the game and theres not much that can be done about it.

    The souls games have always had their trolls DkS is no different.

    I say people grief because online anonymity allows them not to care about the feelings/ game experiences of others. Much like when you beat a player you dont really care what they thought of the duel. You fair is their cheap.....

    But I digress. I have no opinion on it. Other than it can be irritating but not game ruining for me.


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