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    Why do you think people grief in Dark souls pvp?

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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:48 pm

    Why do you think people grief? I'm talking about the people in pvp that invade low levels players and get them to hit npc's etc



    Edit if your opinion in not on the list then just express it by posting it


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:52 pm

    This is such a biased poll it isn't even funny.

    I don't grief, but I cannot, nor can I condone, judging someone base on their choices in a game.

    Its how they have fun, its their right as they paid for the game. Deal with it.


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    Post by callipygias on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:54 pm

    I thought we'd narrowed "griefers" down to the low lvl Burg Invaders. I don't consider the other things you mentioned as griefing.


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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:54 pm

    If 3 more people comlain then I'll brign down the topic : )


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    Post by callipygias on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:57 pm

    Seems like a valid question, I just think definitions should be more specific if we're going to discuss it for real. I have a lot to say about Burg griefers, as sometimes when I encounter one I try to start up a dialog with them. It's worked a few times and I've been pretty surprised by them.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:59 pm

    Its how they have fun? The sam reason anyone plays how they play.


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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:00 pm

    I'll edit the definition then adn remove all except low lv invaders anything else to add apart from that?
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:05 pm

    I'll admit I tried it to see why people found it entertaining..... I didnt find it thus.... Perhaps they simply like to win in PvP and using low level 'griefer builds' is the easiest way to do that?


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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:11 pm

    Sorry if you don't like topic pirate, but it annoys me when people go out of their way to ruin someone else's game/playthrough. On my first playthrough of Dark Souls I was looked up in the burg by 2 guys who constantly invaded me and I couldn't do anything about it. I also was lured to hit the giant blacksmith and big hat logan. You said it's their right to do what they want as they paid for the game but what about other people who have paid for the game and have a miserable time because of griefers. I mean my friend traded in Dark Souls back to game because he couldn't get past the the first area due to invaders....(and the happy red dragon) -close rant-


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    Post by Krasouski on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:11 pm

    Because they are dumb
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:12 pm

    Or they enjoy the hatemail and stomping all over people. Better in game than irl.

    I don't enjoy being griefed either, but my fun is my problem, not theirs.

    Its also not thw topic that bothers me, its the negative light. They're people, just trying to have fun however it is they have fun, just like you. Your ideas of fun simply conflict.


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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:26 pm

    At the end of the day though, they know what they're doing and that it negatively affects others and it's not cool.


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    Post by DoughGuy on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:48 pm

    Games are about having fun. So if your fun is getting in the way of someone elses, you need ot change the way you are playing.
    I know you cant see this Forum but they paid for the game too, and you are ruining the game for them if you are griefing. You don't have that right.


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    Post by Tolvo on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:50 pm

    It's difficult to defend those that hurt the community. While it's their right, their social behavior is negative and should be treated as such. It is my belief that people should have the right to say whatever racist thing they want, even though I disagree with it. It doesn't mean I have to act like I like them for it, or talk about it as if I think what they do is not hurtful to others.
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    Post by cloudyeki on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:09 pm

    It's their way of having fun, and really it's a sad way of having fun. They do it for teh lulz, and honestly if you get invaded by a griefer who tries to get you to hit an NPC then really your in the right to DC.

    I had a HORRIBLY BAD griefer in the burg who just ran to the undead merchant and run around there, not knowing I could snipe him. So I just shot him in the head with poison arrows til he came up to try to BS me.


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    Post by somnam on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:19 pm

    Yesterday, I encountered a dragon bow guy who had hacked his game so thoroughly he could be invincible & immobile for several seconds ignoring everything you did only to appear on the other side of the Burg's bridge backstabbing you even while your body was still a mile off. As far as I can tell, he did this for at least an hour spamming the dried fingers. He would taunt every time. This was on the PS3...it seems like a lot of work to hack a PS3.

    As far as I can tell, trolls live on other peoples irritation. Bread and butter, meat and pototoes, they're content to spoil things; it's probably their greatest pleasure to know threads like this exist.

    Want to know what a griefer is thinking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DYlC1XPOZ0&feature=channel&list=UL


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:21 pm

    Its not negative. Not inherantly.

    Not everyone can enjoy themselves at once, someones fun will always ruin someone elses. Thats fun negatively affecting someone elses.

    I don't enjoy losing. Should you then lay down and die? you know I don't enjoy losing, so now if you win you are intentionaly harming my fun.

    There is no good or bad here, no right or wrong.

    As I implied earlier, your each persons fun is their own responsibility. If someone is nice enough to consider yours good for you, if they're not or if they're trying to ruin yours, fight back. Avoid them or ruin their fun by refusing to let them ruin yours.


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    Post by Tolvo on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:24 pm

    Well they crave negative attention, we wish to vent about it. Sort of a win win. They laugh, we get it off our chests.

    I always remember the Dragon Bow user that invaded at SL10, and while I had a +9 set of Sunlight armor for invaders. He shot me, while I had a shield that blocked 90 fire damage. Using fire arrows. Almost one shot me. I had less than 5% health. Invading in the parish and just using one arrow per person he invaded. When I got close he turned to R1 spam with a Demon Spear and Backstab fishing. Probably the worst non-Glitch/Hack griefer I've run into.

    @Forum, a griefer is a person who intentionally causes grief to others. If someone invades me and doesn't know backstabs are frowned upon while bowing and BS'es me while I bow, oh well they didn't know it was a social taboo. Or if they ignore the taboo, whatever. A griefer is a person that does it just because it is taboo. Those are the people being talked about the ones who are intentionally causing harm to others for the sake of causing harm.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:33 pm

    I know. I stand by my point. Deny them the opportunity or turn it around and beat them at their own game.

    They invade in maxed gear, win with a base uchi. Play hollow. Keep uber gear as backup.

    You may not find it desirable, but it is just as right as any other way of playing the game.

    Also remember that there are no 1 dementional objects, for your way to exsist as what you find ideal, so must theres exsist to define yours and vice versa.


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    Post by Tolvo on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:37 pm

    I'm not entirely understanding your argument, it seems to be that you think we should not have negative opinions of other people. Do I not have the right to have view of others based upon their actions?

    If someone walks up to person of X religion and says, "Hey *** your religion, I think you are retarded for believing it and are a lesser person," just so they can get a laugh out of said person's reaction I'm not allowed to think they are a jerk? Yes they have the right to freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean I can't dislike them. Just as they have their freedom I have mine as well Pirate.

    And I almost always still kill them Forum, me killing them doesn't make me suddenly stop disliking them. Just as I hate when people intentionally cause conflict in real life I hate it online as well.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:45 pm

    I'm suggesting that you dislike the specific actions or qualities of a person, rather than the person themselves. Especially when your only interaction with them is over the internet.


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    Post by Tolvo on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:47 pm

    I dislike their internet personality, just as if they did it in person I'd dislike being around them in person. I have people I talk to in real life, but won't play games with because online they are total assholes. And vice versa.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:54 pm

    I voted for some people are like robots and have no emotion. LOL


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:54 pm

    You seem to be missing my point, but I don't really want to argue (we're not but it could go that way in a hurry.)

    I'll leave it at this; as I said earlier, there is no right or wrong here. They are free to enjoy the game as they see fit, as is everyone. If you don't enjoy dealing with them, then don't, or decide wether you'd rather play with others or avoid griefers. Fairly simple.


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    Post by Tolvo on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:56 pm

    And my side is merely that they don't have to act kind to the people who don't wish to act kindly to them. They don't have to view them in a positive light for traits they consider negative. That we are free to have our opinions of others and voice them.

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