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    NO WAY. I didn't think it was possible!

    Post by mugenis4real on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:18 am

    When I first conceived this build it centered around a combo. Namely the use of Chameleon+Tranquil Walk of Peace, and from there find a way to kill my opponent quickly while immobile. Once I actually got started on making the build in-game, I realized that it couldn't work. While inside of Chameleon I couldn't cast TWoP. To use TWoP I would first have to attack/roll my way out of Chameleon, by then the element of surprise was gone, and my intended target sprinting in the opposite direction, easily spotting the beginning of the cast. Needless to say I scrapped the build. 🇳🇴 This was two months ago.

    Two days ago, playing around in some low SL PVP, the solution to this very same build hit me. Quite literally in fact. I invaded the Darkroot, in the Moonlight Butterfly area and followed the trail of dead MOBS to the host. He pops out around the corner wielding the Stone Greatsword. He lands a hit, rolls to safety, and hits the the two handed R2. This is where I went :o
    I keep hitting prostration till he kills me.

    The two handed R2 of the Stone Greatsword mimics TWoP, but with one significant difference. The R2 from the sword counts as an attack and not a casting. This fixed the build. I could effectively lure my opponent close just by moving around in my Chameleon state and hit R2 without them even knowing what weapon I carried. I could hide my TWoP! cheers

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    Heater Shield- Why not? Helps when fighting MOBS more than anything. In terms of PvP with this build...not so much, but it's proven itself a worthy piece of gear to many a player.

    Wolf Ring- I only ever switch my Dragon Ring for the Wolf when I get a repeat player. They already saw my trick played so of course their going to come swinging out the gates. A little poise goes a long way here.

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    Re: NO WAY. I didn't think it was possible!

    Post by RedderAI on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:33 am

    TWoP? GC +40%?

    That doesn't even sound like fun pvp. To each their own I guess. I hate fighting people who rely on both of those and/or WoG. Seems a little cheap I guess. :/

    No offense.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:23 am

    Mmmmmm yes. silly


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    Re: NO WAY. I didn't think it was possible!

    Post by mugenis4real on Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:37 am

    RedderAI wrote:TWoP? GC +40%?

    That doesn't even sound like fun pvp. To each their own I guess. I hate fighting people who rely on both of those and/or WoG. Seems a little cheap I guess. :/

    No offense.

    Your missing the point! Never mind how I kill them, I found a way to lure enemies into TWoP while staying in plain sight, cant a dude appreciate the ingenuity?

    But yes the build is cheap as all hell 🤡

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    Post by Wade_Wilson on Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:51 am

    I like it. As long as you use it in unformal invasions, you'll be fine.


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    Re: NO WAY. I didn't think it was possible!

    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:16 am

    tbh I expected some hard hit spells to punish with while the person is slowed o-o reason for only up close lower damage spell?


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    Post by Jansports on Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:01 pm

    Chaos Fire storm lul.

    I love chameleon I love your build. I'd marry it

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    Post by goober0331 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:13 pm

    Except chameleon is very easy to spot and TWoP is easy to get away from.

    Also if you DO manage to capture someone, if their using a heavy weapon your dead because of the low poise (even with wolf ring).

    Try doing that in the Kiln, Painted World or Anor Londo. Wont work.


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    Post by RedderAI on Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:24 pm

    Power within, iron flesh, Black Knight Sheild,, flash sweat, high poise, bow an arrows, destroying every breakable object, buffed falchion?

    I've got a build for that. big grin
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    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:28 pm

    Not every build is made for the kiln... This is pretty creative, I've never seen someone use chameleon and TWoP at the same time.


    What might be fun, is to do the same thing, but instead of killing them, run and reset. Just annoy the hell out of whoever you've invaded lol!


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    Post by DamageCK on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:12 pm

    BDCR and Dusk Crown for pyro isn't cheap, it's smart. Same way that going to 40 dex for a dex weapon isn't cheap. Maxing damage output is just good sense. This is where people who know how to put a build together really shine.


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    Post by RedderAI on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:42 pm

    DamageCK wrote:BDCR and Dusk Crown for pyro isn't cheap, it's smart. Same way that going to 40 dex for a dex weapon isn't cheap. Maxing damage output is just good sense. This is where people who know how to put a build together really shine.

    In my eyes GC and TWoP are cheap for pvp. Using BDCR and the Dusk Crown in unison isn't. The buffs are awesome for someone who uses magic a lot and i mean different kinds. Using TWoP and spamming GC with it buffed to the max is a good way to ruin pvp and I know If I fought someone like that it would leave a very bad taste in my mouth.
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    Post by Slarg232 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:48 pm

    RedderAI wrote:
    DamageCK wrote:BDCR and Dusk Crown for pyro isn't cheap, it's smart. Same way that going to 40 dex for a dex weapon isn't cheap. Maxing damage output is just good sense. This is where people who know how to put a build together really shine.

    In my eyes GC and TWoP are cheap for pvp. Using BDCR and the Dusk Crown in unison isn't. The buffs are awesome for someone who uses magic a lot and i mean different kinds. Using TWoP and spamming GC with it buffed to the max is a good way to ruin pvp and I know If I fought someone like that it would leave a very bad taste in my mouth.



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    Post by DamageCK on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:49 pm

    TWoP+some form of casting is a completely different story. I was only referring to that setup on a pyro build without locking someone in place using TWoP.


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    Post by Seignar on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:49 pm

    The properties of TWoP just make it too abusable. It is suppose to be used defensively, but it is too offensive with WotG and other spells that weren't broken because you could dodge them. I think this is the case were something is cheap because it is "too good".


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    Post by Marino. on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:53 pm

    Wow does this community consist in anything but complaining ?
    TwoP only last 10 Seconds and it has a looong casting time .

    Its not viable in a 1vs1 duell .
    Seriously guys its not hard to deal with it
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    Post by Slarg232 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:58 pm

    Seignar wrote:The properties of TWoP just make it too abusable. It is suppose to be used defensively, but it is too offensive with WotG and other spells that weren't broken because you could dodge them. I think this is the case were something is cheap because it is "too good".

    Build defenses, and then laugh at people who waste time to try to make you slower. The only reason people think being locked down is cheap is because A) They don't know how to parry, or B) built glass cannon like the other 90% of people.


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    Post by ErrJon6661 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:11 pm

    The only case where twop works in a 1v1 is if the caster ambushes their opponent.

    Any other case and honestly its a rather useless spell.

    I'd go on to talk about it in 2v1 and 3v1 situations, but I honestly see it used so rarely that there's really no reason to complain.


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    Post by reim0027 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:17 pm

    The more I do different types of PvP (invasions, duelling, Forest, etc), the less things I feel are cheap. But, I will concede there are attacks that have a very high power to required skill ratio.


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:34 pm

    For twop specifically rather than cut the length I'd have just made it affect both players and put both at fat roll status for that 60 seconds. I don't actually have problems dealing with it as is though.

    Anyways, that build is evil. Good work.


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    Post by Christoph on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:00 pm

    That build is awesome. Easy to avoid, but it's still mean if you don't know what your fighting against. Besides it has my fav sword big grin


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    Post by goober0331 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:10 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:For twop specifically rather than cut the length I'd have just made it affect both players and put both at fat roll status for that 60 seconds. I don't actually have problems dealing with it as is though.

    Anyways, that build is evil. Good work.

    This is what I always thought TWoP should do, affect both players.

    But seriously this build will only trouble new players. Waste of time imo.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:22 pm

    It will trouble anyone he can hide from. Stealth is a good deal of fun, its sad that there's so little in dks.

    being experienced will trouble new players, Its no more fair for a new player to run into me while I'm using a base uchi and am naked than it is for them to run into that. They stand little chance wither way.


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    Post by reim0027 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:34 pm

    Stealth is fun. It makes you watch your back. I was invading in Anor, and went to Solaire's bonfire. On my way there, I saw the host had summoned a phantom (so I knew where he was). I went in, rolling as usual (since they like to stand behind the door). I did a quick pan - no phantom (didn't cross my mind about Chameleon). I engaged the host, when out of nowhere, I got a CSS to my back for an instakill. I had to laugh at that. Well played, my friend, well played.


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    Post by goober0331 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:58 pm

    What I'M trying to say is that I wouldnt have any problem spotting someone using Chameleon, and ESPECIALLY if they start casting TWoP.

    Its too easy for me to spot and avoid, which is why I feel its a waste of time, which is why inexperienced players will have some trouble spotting out of place things in their environment and not knowing what TWoP does.

    The OP even said he was doing low lvl invasions, which to me says hes fighting against inexperienced players.

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