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    Raw Weapons

    Post by Seignar on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:29 pm

    I have not seen a single person use a Raw Weapon, I have not seen a single person suggest a Raw Weapon, I have rarely even seen the words "raw" even typed. Scaling just makes normal outdamage them and the fact they can reach +15.

    Should the "Raw" path reach +10 (with a new ember) or should raw weapons be buffed?

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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:32 pm

    No, they'd be worthless anyway. The "no scaling" paths are Fire and Lightning. I think there should be a path that decreases base damage but improves scaling, like the crushing/sharp/sticky paths from Demon's.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by ChizFreak on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:33 pm

    They suck in every possible way. Even normal it's better, because you can keep upgrading it. Even with low stats. If you want something rare, use crystal weapons.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by Revoltage on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:37 pm

    I don't think it needs a buff but yeah, I hardly ever see them mentioned or used anywhere. I mean, it's essentially the equivalent of an elemental weapon except it's buffable. It's mostly good for low-lvl toons that have low stats; they have higher AR but lower stat scaling. I'd think the crystal upgrade would be superior, like Chizfreak said.

    I can't say I'm very familiar with raw weapons in the first place though.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by callipygias on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:44 pm

    I was invaded by a guy in the Parish who hit me pretty good a few times, but did crap for damage. I messaged asking him if he hadn't yet had time to upgrade his katana yet, he replied that it was +5 Raw. He might have been testing Raw damage, I don't know, but the 2-handed running attack of his Raw Kat hit me for like 75 damage or something. Only reason to go Raw is for the trophy, I guess.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by Seignar on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:45 pm

    No, they'd be worthless anyway. The "no scaling" paths are Fire and
    Lightning. I think there should be a path that decreases base damage but
    improves scaling, like the crushing/sharp/sticky paths from Demon's.
    I think this is the path Raw should have gone through. Crystals do their job, since they even retain their scaling and by the time you get great buffs, you'll already be able to upgrade to +15.

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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:55 pm

    Only reason is for the Trophy or for challenge.

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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:22 pm

    They're like the Astora Straight Sword: good for early damage.

    I used them in my first couple of play-throughs, where I needed every small advantage. If you don't invest in scaling, Raw is good and I'd recommend it. For new players, elemental weapons are impossible to get to without knowing the game well.

    I think they have their place in a new players game.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by Knight Alundil on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:38 pm

    I just straight up dont understand them :|


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:00 pm

    Well, my first time playing, my stats were all over the place so scaling didn't matter as much. Raw Weapons did a few points more damage, so I grabbed it. I didn't worry about End game because I didn't know what that was. So if a friend picked up this game, and wanted to know if going Raw was good, I would just tell him that if he's going for str/dex, use a regular; if going for magic/divine (and didn't have those embers yet) go Raw. I wouldn't even tell him about other embers. He can worry about farming large shards or buying them from the Giant once he hits Anor Londo and can upgrade to a Lightning weapon. But that extra damage can really help a new player, especially because you can buff it with Magic weapon.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by Montante on Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:23 pm

    I also used the raw upgrade path during my first playthrough. I never found the Depths until far later in the game (I went into Blighttown from the valley of drakes), so I had no idea of the large ember. I went into the swamp to farm enough large shards to make myself a Raw zweihander +5, after which I accidentally killed the blacksmith when I was trying out the Gravelord Sword Dance miracle right next to him. lol

    The Raw zweihander carried me pretty handily throughout the entire game from that point, up until the end-game when I found out about Chaos and Fire weapons.

    I'd definitely call Raw weapons a PvE thing, since they're more accessible than going above regular +5 if you're completely new to the game.
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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by ublug on Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:44 pm

    People haven't experimented much with raw weapons because they are so weak compared to +15. I seriously doubt it, but maybe they have a hidden feature that noone have noticed yet, like boosting magic buffs? Or perhaps you need a +5 raw weapon to upgrade it further with the guardian soul?
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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:02 am

    ublug wrote:People haven't experimented much with raw weapons because they are so weak compared to +15. I seriously doubt it, but maybe they have a hidden feature that noone have noticed yet, like boosting magic buffs? Or perhaps you need a +5 raw weapon to upgrade it further with the guardian soul?

    Trololol from FromSoft would be that about the Guardian Soul.


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by mugenis4real on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:20 am

    Raw weapons=Real garbage

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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:23 am

    They have a place! Only a small one, but if it helps you get through anor londo first time through, it's worth it!


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:33 am

    It is true that they are easier to upgrade sooner, but lets be real its better to save the ores for the normal upgrades or armor.

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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:41 am

    Oh I agree. When you first played, you dind't know that though. So I used the Raw for both my Longbow and my Halberd. Seemed to work with my stats all over!


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    Re: Raw Weapons

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:10 am

    Raw is for going to Anor Londo. After you get enough Large titanite Shards from Depths/Blighttown instead of upgrading your weapon to +10 you upgrade it to Raw and use it with base stats so you can focus on Vit/End. They're stronger than normal +10. You guys don't find the logic because of the BB glitch and the Drake Sword. I think they're weaker than Fire +5 though, which can be obtained before going to Sens (get the Divine Ember and go to the Catacombs after ringing the second bell).


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