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    Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:53 am

    Kay, so I recently started Dark souls, and I've been getting forward fair enough as a cleric of the sunfire warriors, that is, until I got to the Duke's Archivs. At this point I was faced with three snake people that just completely owned me, and I realised what low damage i do. (About 30ish per hit)

    I use a morningstar +10, crest shield and Havel's armor. I've seen people pull dmg like 200 with a one handed weapon, how do I achieve this? My stats:

    Level: 62
    Vitality: 24
    Endurance: 23
    Strength: 27
    Dexterity: 10
    Resistance: 15
    Faith: 25 (So I could get the Lightening spear)

    Usually my lightening spear could tear through enemies, but this far into the game? Not so much. Any tips or help? Also, what does stability on shields do? And also; how does bleed damage work? morningstar has 300 of it, and I thought it would be OP.

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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by XachAttack on Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:02 pm

    Since you're in the Warriors of Sunlight Covenant, you should probably get into co-oping with people to get Sunlight Medals and offering them to the Altar to get Great Lightning Spear. I believe it requires 30 Faith. 30 medals should be enough, I think, to get the Miracle.

    A good place for your level might be Anor Londo. Those Snake guys are resistant to just about everything, though magic attacks hurt them pretty nicely (This includes Pyromancy and Harmful Miracles), so no weapon really does alot to them.

    Now I have no experience with Hammer weapons, which the Morning Star is categorized as, but I believe the Great Club would be great for you, you'll need 1 more point of Strength though and it's rediculously heavy but it's a start. That's all I can think of to tell you, good luck, and Praise the Sun!


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:56 pm

    Ye, I know about the great lightening spear, but my problem is primarily consistant high damage. Versus most creatures I don't do alot of damage anyway. Maybe like 70ish. I've done entire Anor Londo too, btw.

    Are my stats, gear, weapon too low for Duke's Archives? I'd prefer to steer away from great hammers, as they're reaaally slow I've heard. Also, do you have any clue what stability on shields do? Or how bleed dmg works?

    I'd still like help from anyone else too.
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:12 pm

    Your vitality is kind of low. I would suggest using the morning star, with the hornets ring if you have it. Just go for backstabs on the snake guys.

    The stability of the shield decideds how much stamina you lose while blocking, if you lose all your stamina while blocking attacks you get staggered and then the enemies can just wail on you.

    Bleed builds up like poison or curse, im guessing its the snake with the flamberges thats bleeding you out. Try to wear armor that has good bleed resist, and just don't let him hit you.

    Also you might need some poise, the weapons those snakes use stagger you in one hit unless you have 53 poise.

    Good luck. Any more questions, feel free to ask. Or if you need something further clarified


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:14 pm

    Those guys are pretty resistant to blunt damage. If you don't mind putting a point or 2 into dex you might make yourself a good critical weapon. If you can make a Fire or Chaos Rapier and get it fairly upgraded you should be able to 1-shot those guys (it will still 1-shot them in NG+ if you keep upgrading it). Or if you're going to keep upping Faith maybe make it Divine or Occult (Occult Rapiers destroy).

    You're talking about the 3 guys up top, right? It's easier if you go up the ladder, wait for the guy nearest you to begin to move, then slide back down the ladder. He'll follow you, and you can backstab him when he lands. Sometimes a 2nd will come down, but you'll never have to fight all 3 at once that way.

    Stability on shields helps keep enemies from breaking through your guard. Very important.

    You can bleed the snake men. It works the same as statuses like bleed and poison work on you. Once you fill their bleed guage up their health will take a decent hit. You probably have to hit them 6 or 7 times or so in relatively quick succession to effect it though. Be careful not to button mash.


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:22 pm

    Actually the manserpant greatsword that those snake guys drop would be perfect for you with your stats. I also suggest you try to bring your Vit up to around 30-35 and your End to around 30. Also bring your faith up to 30, theres some good miracles you will be able to get later that require 30 faith. Stop there though.

    Oh and i misunderstood why you were asking about bleed, basically ignore the fact the morning star has it. You need to fill up the enemies bleed, which is really hard to do with a slow weapon like the morning star. If you do manage to bleed them it takes an extra 30% of their hp.
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:30 pm

    Kellborn wrote:Kay, so I recently started Dark souls, and I've been getting forward fair enough as a cleric of the sunfire warriors,

    Love it.

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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:32 pm

    It looks good for your first time playing, get str to 40 and stop there. Faith to 30 and stop there. Like fun said, when you get to sens farm the first two guys until you get their sword which is the best gs in the game imo and upgrade it. For now just keep two handing you weapon to get max damage since two handing it will give the same damage as if you had 40 str, for now focus on end and vit and do n other go above 10 dex unless there's a weapon you wanna use.


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:47 pm

    Two-handing is not so easy at first. I'm guessing the reason he asked about shields is that the serpent jerks are breaking through his guard, as they tend to do. If that's the case I'd recommend making a shield upgrade your second priority, right after a new weapon.

    You can get decent stability from the Crest and the Dragoncrest shields (66) and they upgrade with Twinkling Titatnite, which'll save your regular titanite for your weapon, but if you've gotten either the Black or Silver Knight Shield to drop I recommend upping it, as they both have 74 or 75 stability. The Eagle Shield from Upper Blighttown has INSANE stability, but you can't parry with it (plus it takes regular titanite to upgrade).


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:24 pm

    Thanks for all the replies! It really helps. I managed to get past those three serpent guards after awhile when I equipped the eagle shield, as I realised it had some impressive stability. That said, I suppose Giants shield, Stone shield and Havel's shield are great shields considering their resistances and stability?

    Another question I have, is that when I look on items I see various letters under strength, dex etc, like "A, B, or C", what does these mean?

    Also, I've got the man serpent greatsword, Zweihandler and stone greatsword. I didn't realise I had these (They were in my storage), so should I perhaps go for the Zwei? as it's higher dmg than the man serpent? and not as heavy as the stone greatsword?
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:38 pm

    Go man serpent for sure it's faster. Than zwei and those letters you said are the rating and the better the letter the more damage you get from that stat, man serpent gs has an A and the final ar is about 520.


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:01 pm

    Giant's, Stone, and Havel's shields are great too, but the Eagle Shield weighs a fraction of any of them (plus only requires 16 str) and even though their stability is higher it's pretty much overkill. Not much will get through the Eagle. Get it upgraded and even the Capra Demons' 1-hand attacks will bounce off.

    Regarding the scaling letters, bear in mind that sometimes the scaling will improve when you get a weapon to +14. If your sword or whatever has a B scaling in strength, once you get it to +14 it may change to an A. Can make a big difference.


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:09 pm

    Thanks once more for your guidance! I'll take your advice Calli, and get the eagle shield upgraded. Does that up its stats? Like getting its physical def from 95 to 100?

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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:15 pm

    Oh hell, you're on the pc! I didn't know that. No, sorry, it'll stay at 95%. They did that to balance it since it's so op. On the consoles it's still 100%. Fyi, the amount of damage a shield deflects never changes with upgrades (with the exceptions of elemental upgrades, which suck anyway).


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:17 pm

    callipygias wrote:Oh hell, you're on the pc! I didn't know that. No, sorry, it'll stay at 95%. They did that to balance it since it's so op. On the consoles it's still 100%. Fyi, the amount of damage a shield deflects never changes with upgrades (with the exceptions of elemental upgrades, which suck anyway).

    Hm, so would you still recommend upgrading it? or should I go for one of the other ones?

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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by callipygias on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:33 pm

    If it's doing you right I'd up it for a while, maybe +6 or 7, but not spend any of the better titanite on it unless you're ever in a real bind and haven't found another option you like.

    Black Knight Shield is a good option, though. It won't have the deflection of the Eagle, but it is 100% phys and like 95% fire and has either 75 or 76 stability. If you don't have one I can just about guarantee you will before you get to NG+.

    But if you really like the Greatshields maybe bring the Eagle to +10, then take it to the Giant Blacksmith in Anor Londo and give him Sif's soul. That'll give you one badass shield. Super cool-looking, too. (Doesn't have to be the Eagle, though. Any +10 shield will work.)


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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:20 am

    Another question in regards to the man-serpent greatsword; according to the wiki a +15 man-serpent greatsword does 275 dmg and has a A in strength(and weighs quite abit more, and takes more endurance), while morning star does 207 damage, and is lighter and doesn't take as much endurance, and has a B in strength

    Is it worth it to use the man-serpent greatsword? And how does one calculate the parameter bonuses? And are you sure the Zwei isn't worth it? It doesn't seem that much slower, and it does more dmg.
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Bamjam on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:31 am

    The 275 AR is without the scaling of your strenght. It will say 275 and behind that +xxx # calculated your strenght.
    The advantage of the manserpent sword is that it can stunlock much better than the morning star and has longer range.

    Use this site to check how much damage your weapons will do and make builds.
    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/

    Edit: the Zwei is also nice but i guess many people dislike it since its mostly used by gankers and IMO the moveset of the manserpent sword is better than the zwei but thats personal preference.
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    Post by Kellborn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:57 am

    Bamjam wrote:The 275 AR is without the scaling of your strenght. It will say 275 and behind that +xxx # calculated your strenght.
    The advantage of the manserpent sword is that it can stunlock much better than the morning star and has longer range.

    Use this site to check how much damage your weapons will do and make builds.
    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/

    Edit: the Zwei is also nice but i guess many people dislike it since its mostly used by gankers and IMO the moveset of the manserpent sword is better than the zwei but thats personal preference.

    Alright! Thanks for the link too btw. Another question though; how is the claymore? I've heard it's really versatile. Would this weapon be a good mix of the Zwei and the man serpent sword?
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Bamjam on Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:59 am

    Ive heard the claymore is pretty good. Specially with a 40str 40dex build but tbh ive never used it so i dont have any experience with it.
    Maybe someone else can share their experience with it.
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by Kellborn on Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:01 am

    Bamjam wrote:Ive heard the claymore is pretty good. Specially with a 40str 40dex build but tbh ive never used it so i dont have any experience with it.
    Maybe someone else can share their experience with it.

    Edit: went for Man-serpent greatsword instead
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    Re: Dark souls noob help

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:26 am

    Yea the Claymore is good, but it's more suited for a 40/40 build. You have mainly STR, so the manserpant is the best greatsword to use.

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