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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:50 pm

    Didn't say it wasn't an advantage, I said its not an unfair advantage. In most cases (for me) its a small advantage, a luxery, like grass. Not a tide turner.

    Its a bigger difference if its to break 400 ar, 500 ar, or 600 ar, but even then its not a huge thing.

    99dbs, is a tide turner.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by DamageCK on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:51 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:For weapons that are not bought in a vender why not just down grade it back to normal +10 and then re upgrade to crystal +5, it will be repaired then.

    Would only meed to carry like 3 around instead of 100

    HOLY F*CK. If that works, dude... Oh my god I'm gonna bang you so hard.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:56 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:Didn't say it wasn't an advantage, I said its not an unfair advantage. In most cases (for me) its a small advantage, a luxery, like grass. Not a tide turner.

    Its a bigger difference if its to break 400 ar, 500 ar, or 600 ar, but even then its not a huge thing.

    99dbs, is a tide turner.

    An advantage achieved via glitch is an unfair one. Running around with 100 +4 crystal weapons I have no problems as they are easily obtained with out duping. Regardless of how big the advantage is, it is unfair if duping allows you to do it.

    Duping green grass is not the same as it takes 3 mins to buy 99 at a vender.

    99dbs are worthless against OHK BS fishers though lol.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:58 pm

    Can't downgrade back to normal damage. If you crystal an unique weapon you're screwed.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:58 pm

    DamageCK wrote:
    Glutebrah wrote:For weapons that are not bought in a vender why not just down grade it back to normal +10 and then re upgrade to crystal +5, it will be repaired then.

    Would only meed to carry like 3 around instead of 100

    HOLY F*CK. If that works, dude... Oh my god I'm gonna bang you so hard.
    Wait, wut? Glute, have you tested this? If not, I'm going to test it.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:59 pm

    reim0027 wrote:
    DamageCK wrote:
    Glutebrah wrote:For weapons that are not bought in a vender why not just down grade it back to normal +10 and then re upgrade to crystal +5, it will be repaired then.

    Would only meed to carry like 3 around instead of 100

    HOLY F*CK. If that works, dude... Oh my god I'm gonna bang you so hard.
    Wait, wut? Glute, have you tested this? If not, I'm going to test it.

    Never tested it... people are saying you can't down grade crystal weapons,


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:01 pm

    Has anyone tried?


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:02 pm

    Yes, can't downgrade them.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by DamageCK on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:03 pm

    Apparently you can't. Damn you, Developers.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:04 pm

    Bummer.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:05 pm

    Pretty intelligent move though.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:07 pm

    doesn't work.

    I always had the +5 weapon on me before I knew how to glitch.

    How often I used it is irrelivant, I had the option. As such, glitch or no glitch, it isn't unfair to use a +5 crystal weapon, as they are avaliable to everyone without to much effort. The glitch simply eliminates any dileberation, may as well use it because I won't have to farm.

    You can call the lack of time spent farming unfair if you wish, I won't argue that, but as far as battle goes, its not an unfair advantage.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:50 pm

    I always had divine blessings on me before I knew how to glitch.

    How often I use it is irrelevant, I had the option. As such, glitch or no glitch, it isn't unfair to use a few divine blessings, as they are available to everyone without to much effort. The glitch simply eliminates any deliberation, may as well use it because I won't have to complete the game multiple times.

    You can call the lack of completed play throughs unfair if you wish, I won't argue that, but as far as battle goes, its not an unfair advantage.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:57 pm

    Fair enough. I still stand by my statement.

    I'd have to say though, an extra 40 damage is a much smaller thing than an .5 second full heal. The 40 damage won't likely turn the tide of a fight, effectively having 180000 hp can quite easily turn the tide of a battle.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:04 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:Fair enough. I still stand by my statement.

    I'd have to say though, an extra 40 damage is a much smaller thing than an .5 second full heal. The 40 damage won't likely turn the tide of a fight, effectively having 180000 hp can quite easily turn the tide of a battle.

    Lol I know what your saying and I partially agree. But the difficulty to acquire enough +5 crystal weapons to use all the time can be compared to divine blessings. Sure at the end of the day the advantage is small, but I consider it unfair since it is not feasible to expect a non glitcher to achieve it.

    IMO to consider an advantage unfair it has to be an advantage one player has that another player doesn't have the choice to get. Using twop and wog is a huge advantage, but not unfair.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:19 pm

    The other player does have the option to get one though, no glitching required. Trading can be done, and there are many who have spare slabs who are willing to part with them.

    Hell, if they asked me I'd give them 98 slabs on the spot, and another 98 later if they wished. let them max crystal weapons themselves for a good long time.

    Even my non glitched build has a spare slab or 2 I'd part with, my gear is maxed and I don't use crystal katana.

    Essentially, without the glitch, the glitch would be unfair, but because it exsists, its not unfair even if one doesn't want to glitch because the supplies they need to upgrade their weapons are so common due to the glitch.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:25 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:The other player does have the option to get one though, no glitching required. Trading can be done, and there are many who have spare slabs who are willing to part with them.

    Hell, if they asked me I'd give them 98 slabs on the spot, and another 98 later if they wished. let them max crystal weapons themselves for a good long time.

    Even my non glitched build has a spare slab or 2 I'd part with, my gear is maxed and I don't use crystal katana.

    Essentially, without the glitch, the glitch would be unfair, but because it exsists, its not unfair even if one doesn't want to glitch because the supplies they need to upgrade their weapons are so common due to the glitch.

    Sure maybe for a few duels, but they would run out. Our opinions differ on this, but I see your argument.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:37 pm

    in my experience, a crystal dgm (knowing that its an extreme example) lasts me 30 or so duels. with 98 slabs, we're talking 2940 duels, give or take. Even assuming an uchi, (which does around half the damage and has lower durability) thats still 1000+ duels.

    In the grand scheme of things thats not a lot, but that would get me through a couple weeks. If one is constantly asking for slabs, (especially on a forum) I have trouble believing one will run out of the maaterials they need.

    I'll stop now though.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Glutebrah on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:30 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:in my experience, a crystal dgm (knowing that its an extreme example) lasts me 30 or so duels. with 98 slabs, we're talking 2940 duels, give or take. Even assuming an uchi, (which does around half the damage and has lower durability) thats still 1000+ duels.

    In the grand scheme of things thats not a lot, but that would get me through a couple weeks. If one is constantly asking for slabs, (especially on a forum) I have trouble believing one will run out of the maaterials they need.

    I'll stop now though.

    lol i agree, i just don't see any one putting in that much effort for it when they can just use a +15 and not worry about it. but you are right it can be done with out the glitch, though would be extremely annoying unless you were being hooked up by a fellow glitcher lol.. lets say there was no duping any where it wasn't possible, would people handing out slabs be that common?

    lol but im done to, lets agree to disagree while acknowledging we are both right in our own sense.

    side note.. can crystal weapons be buffed?? i am going to make a few crystal Uchis, but truth be told i am not sure if i will like not having the 20HP drain, since i use it to get me in RTSR range if i am just out of it. nothing is more annoying then getting hit down to say 21-25% life and the ring isnt active, yet you still know you are 1 hit from dead.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:31 am

    Sooo... we've established that crystal weapons are awesome then? Good deal.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:31 am

    Yes they can.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by fearandwhiskey on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:43 am

    I thought of something to test. During one playthrough, Cook gave me a weapon of his that was broken so that I could upgrade it for him. When I picked it up, it was at full durability. I don't know if this is an exploitable glitch, or just a random thing that happened, but the talk of not being able to downgrade crystal weapons made me think of it.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:49 am

    I have picked up broken crystal weapons.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by fearandwhiskey on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:03 am

    Figured as much. Just thought it might be worth mentioning.


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    Re: Crystal Weapons.

    Post by Jansports on Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:08 am

    Do you have any idea how mad I am right now?

    Like seriously.

    BSS breaks 400ar if crystal +5 at 45dex while it wouldn't at +15 NORMALLY a small AR increase isn't a big deal but breaking 400 pure AR is in fact a deal that is large.

    I hate you so much right now Damage. I am going to loose all of my humanity farming dozens of those things.

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