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    The Kick [Push]

    Post by Seignar on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:10 am

    The Kick! The dreaded light attack + forward. That quick counter to poise tanks, poise BS. The vain of the parry master and the crusher of the turtle. The unexpected combo and the unexpected counter to your forward roll.

    Tell me, have you used the greatness that is the kick?

    *Ahem* Well, yeah. how often do you use Light attack +forward? Because out of all my dozens of battles, I have only seen 1 person employ it. And it is funny because everyone has it (Except Rapier people).

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by cloudyeki on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:13 am

    And curved swords, which I use to ESCAPE parries and get my space back. I tend not to rely on it, but I've dipped into it a bit as a way to get space to change gear.


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:17 am

    I don't use it super often but it can be useful. One thing I don't like though is how you don't have time to see if your kick hit because of lag, you have to attack immediately afterwards which can leave you open.


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Seignar on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:38 am

    One way to be 99% sure it is going to connect is to do it on BS fishers. In my experience, if you kick them when they are trying to BS you, you'll end up dead angling that move or , in worst case scenario, backstab cancel them. Another case is on forward roll. The move is fast but it takes time to hit and the frames seem to be a bit long. So it is very useful for punishing a forward roll, even more if they were trying to roll attack you.

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:59 am

    I kick A LOT in PvP. Basically one day I was like "hell, this kicking sh*t is really useful, but when exactly is a good time to try it in PvP?" So I just went into about a day's worth of fights spamming the hell out of kicks. Now they're a staple of my playstyle. Here are some examples of my go-to kick opportunities:

    After getting a BS/riposte as they're standing up. Kick about halfway through their "standing up" animation to compensate for lag. If they stagger, another free hit.

    Kicking players as they're trying to lock BS.

    Punish parry spam.

    In a situation where I can afford to tank a hit in order to connect a kick and, in turn, deal more damage to the opponent than I suffered to get it.

    When rapier/katana users CONSTANTLY spam dash attacks I'll kick as they're dashing into me. Basically the same as the above example, but REALLY useful in this particular situation, so I thought I'd point it out.

    Against dex weapon roll attack spammers. The quick attack makes it a little more difficult to parry than the "I'm obviously going to roll-poke for the 8th time with my stupid Zwei" timing/telegraph you get with strength weapons.

    If I'm on a pyro build, I usually follow up a successful kick with a Great Combustion, but any fast dex weapon will also usually connect if you swing right after they stagger. Other weapons have a wind-up animation that's too slow for kick punishing, but like I said before, you can still use some fast casts to the same effect.

    Anyone else like to contribute to the "kick here" list?


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:00 am

    I waiting for Damage to jump in on this one. silly

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Seignar on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:09 am

    Likewise I follow-up the kick with Great Combustion. Like I said, I find that a good time to kick them is when they roll forward. the kick is quick enough to stun them if they attempt to attack. Usually find it very good to punish people who flip forward to dodge fireballs.

    I believe the straight sword strong attack is fast enough to connect. Had someone spam it on me all the time.

    Anyways, speaking of that bad experience with the kick spammer, it is possible to toggle escape the kick stun right?

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by ICEFANG on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:13 am

    Dragon's Roar is like a super kick, I use it on extremely aggressive and defensive players, its changed a bit in the newest version, so I don't use it as much, its new content, so I'll put it here if you're wondering.

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:20 am

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:I waiting for Damage to jump in on this one. silly

    Is my kick spam that notorious? Hahaha.


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Derpwraith on Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:20 am

    Mother of God! How can I learn such a brilliant technique!?


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:23 am

    Sarcasm?


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Uparkaam on Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:55 am

    I mostly just use it to kick people off cliffs.


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Bamjam on Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:02 am

    Kick is pretty sweet. As DamageCK sayd its awesome to punish parry spammers and also to get an opening to get a free hit in.

    When i was on my chameleon mage last week, a damn good xbox player invaded me and everytime i used chameleon he just kicked me so my dirty tricks didnt work on him. that made me a sad panda lol.
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by omega Elf on Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:51 am

    whats the highest damage you can follow a kick with
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by DamageCK on Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:07 am

    Something Leo related, I'm sure.


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Wisp on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:29 pm

    Leo-ringed Halberd R1?
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:21 pm

    Kick into Leo Ring Pickaxe attacks, such great counter damage.

    And it's rare, but I always hate when I find someone who knows how to kick. Suddenly easy parries aren't as easy. sad
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:28 pm

    Parry spammers upset me. I kick....a LOT!!!


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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Wisp on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:29 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Kick into Leo Ring Pickaxe attacks, such great counter damage.

    Is that a guaranteed hit, like kick - katana R1 is?
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:31 pm

    To my knowledge, yes.
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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Seignar on Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:10 pm

    But Kick-stagger hit isn't counter damage, it only happens if they try to R1 spam you, which will end in a fail btw.

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    Re: The Kick [Push]

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:10 pm

    For me it counts as counter damage, one of the common tricks with kick GC.

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