Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

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    Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

    Post by Seignar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:25 pm

    Perhaps I'm a bit slowpoke, but I've realized something that makes Red Tearstone better than Power Within. Power Within increases your damage inflicted by 40% and RTR increases your AR or your predetermined damage by 50%.

    This is to say:

    If your Longsword has 317 AR and your 1H light attack deals 253 damage [80% of your AR], then:

    Under the effects of Power Within: Damage (253) X 1.4 = 354
    Under the effects of RTR: AR [317] X 1.5 = 475 X 0.8 [Light attack] = 380 *IN theory*
    Under the effects of both: AR [317] X 1.5 = 475 X 0.8 = 380 X 1.4 = 532 *IN theory*

    Note: I say in theory because I DID test these numbers. the ones with "IN THEORY" actually dealt more damage which were 417 and 582 respectively [This is due to defense factoring in and reducing static damage and not %]. You get my point either way.


    Now with that I'll say that in practice, RTR is even better. Because Power Within multiplies the damage AFTER defense had already weakened the attack and RTR multiplies the damage BEFORE defense lowers it.

    I did the testing and this means that RTR is better when strengthening weak attacks than power within. In particular, I tested Fire Surge. Under the effects of Power Within, Fire Surge dealt 50 damage per hit. Under the effects of RTR alone, Fire Surge dealt 100 damage per hit.

    So what do I say? RTR is better against armored opponents, Power Within is better against Light weight opponents. Although RTR is better in general...

    Now, do I get a slowpoke.jpg?

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    Re: Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:35 pm



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    Re: Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:36 pm

    Yep. RTSR increases your AR by 40%, Power within increases your damage by 40%. AO against armoured opponents you get a higher attack value, which due to diminishing returns on defence, does much more damage than 40%. Meanwhile against lighter foes power within is multiplying your damage, which wasnt affected much by their lighter defence. Still its always good to have testing done to confirm things, +1.


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    Post by Seignar on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:40 pm

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    Re: Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:45 pm

    Dough, quick correction. The RTSr adds 50% extra AR, it is perfect for weapons such as the murakumo... A murakumo in conjunction with PW and RTSr hits for about 1300 per hit.


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    Re: Intresting note about Red Tearstone?

    Post by lordgodofhell on Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:35 am



    great review of the two AR buffs right here.

    I find both as a matter of preference when it comes to their uses.

    example, I am invading and see my opponent. I buff power within because rtsr is not in my builds slot choice. PW also increases stamina regen much like green blossoms which is another plus.

    Red tear i would be more likely to use for arranged duels. PW can frighten random hosts and you catch them off guard with it. But duelists pretty much know to avoid you for 90 secs to 2.5 minutes until you in essence kill yourself. Red tear works amazingly well here to turn the tide of fights.


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