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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by omega Elf on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:30 pm

    I don't see why you need Hyper Armor you can fast roll just fine using Wolf &
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by petals18 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:39 pm

    I dont know about hyper armor, but the DWGR getting nerfed will be a problem. You need 77 poise for a strenght build imo, to stand a chance of carrying out the swing. Wolf and havels wont give you that, plus you lose the option to use RoFaP entirely, which gives extra stamina which you kind of need as the weapons use so much.
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:48 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/97fembb

    This is what it takes to make the weakest and lightest of the ug weapons that arn't clubs or useless regular work against spears or clever casters after the patch.

    http://tinyurl.com/97fembb This is if you're willing to completely forgo any pretense of blocking, parrying or having a backup weapon to get a defense worth having.

    Now lets try dex shall we

    http://tinyurl.com/9oeqqd9

    http://tinyurl.com/99m56w6

    Not only can they get better defenses and or poise, they can get it at below 40 end, while retaining the free stats to cast or buff, and they have better range and or speed, with comporable damage while using their strong attacks unbuffed.


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Tristan on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:52 pm

    So this means my fav DM is useless...

    http://tinyurl.com/8hcxwyj


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by petals18 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:55 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:http://tinyurl.com/97fembb

    This is what it takes to make the weakest and lightest of the ug weapons that arn't clubs or useless regular work against spears or clever casters after the patch.

    http://tinyurl.com/97fembb This is if you're willing to completely forgo any pretense of blocking, parrying or having a backup weapon to get a defense worth having.

    Now lets try dex shall we

    http://tinyurl.com/9oeqqd9

    http://tinyurl.com/99m56w6

    Not only can they get better defenses and or poise, they can get it at below 40 end, while retaining the free stats to cast or buff, and they have better range and or speed, with comporable damage while using their strong attacks unbuffed.

    Not trying to defend the changes here, but you could an additional 20 points into end to bring to 120, then wear fathers mask, and giant armor. doesnt look tooo bad i guess, far from ideal. . . .

    edit - and a parrying dagger too


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:05 pm

    trying to keep it arena viabe, and at 120 its actually less ideal, because the extra points left over arn't even enough to have a decent buff, where a dex build can do this http://tinyurl.com/92w58na allowing their damage to greatly surpass the str weapons damage and allowing casting. And thats just one option, with a fairly heavy setup I might add


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by petals18 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:10 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:trying to keep it arena viabe, and at 120 its actually less ideal, because the extra points left over arn't even enough to have a decent buff, where a dex build can do this http://tinyurl.com/92w58na allowing their damage to greatly surpass the str weapons damage and allowing casting. And thats just one option, with a fairly heavy setup I might add

    I didnt know builds had to be 100 to be arena viable sorry, i just pvp at 120 in the kiln, just heard bout arenas today. and god yeah, dex builds have best of everything, we'll both just have to give up on str builds :no: . when is this patch coming out and is the DWGR definately getting nerfed?

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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by petals18 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:11 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:trying to keep it arena viabe, and at 120 its actually less ideal, because the extra points left over arn't even enough to have a decent buff, where a dex build can do this http://tinyurl.com/92w58na allowing their damage to greatly surpass the str weapons damage and allowing casting. And thats just one option, with a fairly heavy setup I might add

    I didnt know builds had to be 100 to be arena viable sorry, i just pvp at 120 in the kiln, just heard bout arenas today. and god yeah, dex builds have best of everything, we'll both just have to give up on str builds :no: . when is this patch coming out and is the DWGR definately getting nerfed?
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by omega Elf on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:13 pm

    If you want 76 poise fast roll at 99 use wolf/havels, if you go 149+ you can use
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:14 pm

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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:21 pm

    trust me omega, we all have though of a build exactly like that, the problem is that it looks like and has really def and res AND **** hp compared to dex which can get 1800 vit easily. you ocaouls also say that str weapons are much more powerful that it takes less hits to kill someone with it but a dex build can kill you with three hits with that much hp and you need at least 4 hits to kill someone with 1800 hp.


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by petals18 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:22 pm

    dont you need 77? thought that was the next break level so to speak, but you cud get that with that build just use the fathers msk and sum other armor, and yeah thats an ok build i guess for what it is, but its not all competitive with . . . .well anything really :no: I mean any dex hyrbrid or a str hybrid, or a caster for that matter would have better damage potential and armor.
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:24 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YIN7O-PmWY


    I felt this was relevant

    this is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEtPluUi0_U


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:28 pm

    Well 77 poise break is for ultra weapons and above, for obvious reasons less people will be using them. I totally agree with you guys that hyper armor should have been implemented. Just trying to convince you guys its not the END. Dex was op in demons too, despite large weapons having hyper armor. It's a japanese game, so obviously dex weapons like katanas will be super powerful. I still think being a straight up tank with full havels or w.e will be viable. Just got to be very reserved with rolls and rolling attacks, and make good use of back steps. Like i said before it will clearly be more of a challenge, but isn't that what the souls games are all about. At least now you will look like a bad *** if you use a str weapon, rather then being labeled a bs fisher. Sorry im trying to go against your points, im just trying to add a little positive insight.
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:30 pm

    Whats that movie called Rant? Rob Roy? It looks bad ***. Thats not str vs dex though, looks like hes using a bastard sword(an actual one, not like in dark souls where its a greatsword) oh maybe not, didn't notice the hilt.
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:33 pm

    ??????????!!!!!!!! TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER GO TO BEST BUY OR WHATEVER STORE IS NEAREST YOU, BUY IT AND WATCH IT...NOW!!! its one of the best movies ever.

    and yes, its Rob Roy.


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:34 pm

    Yea i didn't even finish it cause i didn't want to spoil that scene. It has a lot of great actors in it, just from seeing that scene.


    lol! a bit off topic there
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Tristan on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:39 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:
    FruitPunchNinja wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YIN7O-PmWY


    I felt this was relevant

    this is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEtPluUi0_U[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">]



    or this... [url=http://youtu.be/Tt6iFJhTzoI?t=2m4s]http://youtu.be/Tt6iFJhTzoI?t=2m4s


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:41 pm

    its a scottish broadsword and cunningham is one of the greates villains in film history!!


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:44 pm

    I'm very surprised i haven't at the very least heard of that film. NICE! its on instant netflix! Will be watching that tonight most likely big grin
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:51 pm

    YOU BETTER!!! im gonna quiz you tomorrow. getting back on topic, this is what my new miralda will most likely look like. http://tinyurl.com/8mfekax or this after the new catalyst http://tinyurl.com/9ffk8d9 but from the stream ive seen im thinking med roll since it might have gotten more iframes and might be just a little faster, cant tell though but i guess i will see after the patch.


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by omega Elf on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:52 pm

    Yea I know it sucks but players did want the dwgr nerfed so surely they could see
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Tristan on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:55 pm

    I never thought they'd nerf swing speed of str weapons though.


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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:59 pm

    They only nerfed the greatsword swing speeds, from what i understand. Which is honestly good in a way, cause greatswords are what would be stunlocking the STR builds more then anything. I think they did a good job, but i agree hyper armor for the ultra weapons would be icing on the cake. I still have not gotten a straight answer about if toggle escape has been patched. I'm surprised this info isn't getting confirmed faster, if this was consoles this stuff would be all confirmed with visual proof on youtube by now.
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    Re: [spoilers] hyper armor

    Post by Tristan on Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:01 pm

    That is bad for me since that's my fav weapon.


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