Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

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    Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by menzinho on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:17 pm

    Well since the DLC is out, most people discuss only about Oolacile now and forgot about old stuff we didn't even got to a conclusion, for instance, out white scaleless friend we all hate, Seath, the Traitor, i'll talk a bit about him now so yea...

    Ok the first thing we learn about Seath in the game is that hes a worthless, eyeless, scaleless traitor who did not betray a friend or a neighbor, HE BETRAYED HIS OWN SPECIES, could you imagine yourself siding with the dogs in a human vs dog war? Me neither... but Seath did it, only question now is why...

    We all know via Logan that Seath wanted something the dragons had, the Primordial Crystal, that is why he turned on them and pillaged the damn thing, however i believe he had another reason other than this, maybe he wanted to eradicate the thing he envied his whole immortal existence but that is merely speculation, if i ware you guys, i'd stay with Logan's theory

    Ok, with that sorted out, we come to recenter events, Gwyn settles in his city, and for the dragon that turned the tide he gave a few gratitude gifts, first, dukedom, that is right, WELCOME TO NOBILITY DRAGON!, second, a castle in the hills for him to fill with whatever he needed, third, complete freedom to pursue his research and fourth, a piece of the Lord Soul... so happy Seath moved in and started working

    Ok so this is where things get complicated, you see, many people believe Seath was always evil, so right out of the box ill clear that out, HE WAS NOT, that is right, he was simply researching a way to achieve his ultimate dream... scales, just like Gwyndolin struggled to achieve his father's love, so did out little dragon, but he did not wanted just any scales, he wanted a special kind, one that would make him immortal... the Scales of Immortality (original huh...)

    So, he was so immersed in his research, that after many years of failures he started to resort to more extreme measures as his sanity slipped away with his obsession, to the point he completely lost it and started to terrorize the remaining gods in the pantheon, like having his twisted servants, the serpent men, abduct the followers of Gwynevere to test on them (he may even be responsible of Gwyn's wife death and Gwyndolins repulsive appearance, but Gwyn never suspected his most "loyal" servant)

    Ok so then we have the linking of the fire and Gwyns firstborn inherits the fire, the demon's invasion and Gwyndolins betrayal of the Firstborn, and Seath was very likely left in charge of taking care of his master's family (since he was Gwyn's right hand) obviously a bad idea, since he was bananas by the time, something that may have resulted in him artificially impregnating Gwynevere to breed Priscilla, which resulted in he marriage with Flann, for protection, and the diaspora of the gods, but that is speculation) then the Abyss started to take over Oolacile and the four knights became one knight, leaving everything very fragilized, so Seath sends his goons away to every corner to gather magical knowledge, hence their presence in the Darkroot Garden, Undead Church and Depths, holding Dusk hostage and in possession of Manus pendant

    So Seath was alone with Gwyndolin in Anor Londo, which i believe that decided to hide on the tomb of his father and behind his Darkmoon warriors thanks to Seath's madness, but for some reason he locked himself away in his library and stopped freaking with everyone, but his servants are still spread across Lordran, like the Moonlight Butterfly and his Golems

    Then the Chosen Undead shows up and end's his tormented delusional paranoia over the scales, finally freeing Lordran of the Mad Scientist's grip...

    that is all i've got on him, i think he's a very interesting character and i wish i had more but sadly i don't, enjoy this, think about it, praise the sun cheers peace out


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:51 pm

    What always bugged me about Seath is that he's supposed to be the GREATEST BLOODY MAGE EVER but he only uses one bloody spell the whole boss fight......idk


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by menzinho on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:54 pm

    If you think about it it is in fact the best freaking spell ever the one he uses it, it has ridiculously high damage, long range, AND CURSES YOU... or maybe he's just old, mad and tired to care about using a giant catalyst to fk you up with a GIANT CRYSTAL SOUL ARROW OMG!!! don't let Fromsoft read this...


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    Post by ICEFANG on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:27 pm

    I'd fight with the dogs, just like how I fight with the dragons.


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:48 pm

    An old lecture from when I tried being a professor. Seath is probably all about himself. No loyalties, no respect, just what he can do for himself.

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    Seath is an underhanded, selfish creature. Everything he did was for his own gain. The betrayal of his kin out of jealousy, the kidnapping of maidens for experiments. Even his status of duke is beneficial, his being apart of Gwyn's court allowing him sway with the gods. It wouldn't be far fetched that he would use Gwyn's absence as a chance to build an army to take the world in his claws.

    But Seath has one major flaw. His obsession with living forever, both from his being an outcast among his kin, and possibly a fear of Nito. By the time you see the Primordial Crystal, it is held within a protected cavern within his home, at the very depths an extremely fragile object. Maybe as he continued to live off the crystal's power it was starting to weaken.

    Tolvo: Huge speculation/Crazy/insane idea, but what if actually the Dragons weren't all that bad? They looked over humanity worried about them destroying themselves, trying to keep them low and weak so they could never cause self harm. Hiding away secrets too powerful ever for the minds of these beings, such as the Crystal. And that Seath actually helped cause the war, he wanted it for himself and used it as a guise to establish his position, give him time to research, and safety from any possible enemies with his new allies. If this were the case, the dragons would be right. Because of humans there are demons, undead curses, poisoned and tainted areas, beings of wicked and malevolant magic and design. Truly, what if some of the greatest heroes in Dark Souls were the dragons who looked over humanity?

    Dough Guy: Im inclined to agree because for goodness knows how long before the first flame was lit the humans and dragons lived side by side without bloodshed. However I cant see Seath starting the war. the first flame started the war, I think Seath just saw an opportunity and took it.

    Tolvo: That is possible as well, though I do feel inclined to believe that he at least helped the cause with some propaganda. As well, imagine if anyone ever tried to contest his position. He was the only "Good" dragon who was willing to see past the tyrannical rule of his people, fighting to save the race of humanity and bring forth the age of man. Damn, he's either the greatest warmongering in Dark Souls, or the Greatest Opportunist.


    End of Class 2 Summary:
    Seath, the grandfather of sorcery. Turncoat. Albino. Truly a magnificent, malicious, unsavory character. Many theories stem from his collecting of maiden's, his strange crystalline guards, and his strange powers born of the Primordial crystal.

    What could he be doing with this artifact? Could he have been using as a catalyst. To become a living catalyst? Maybe he is creating an army? From his appearance he has chosen to use crystal scales in place of the proper scales he was born without. His magic is also connected to crystals, which are able to curse his enemies, most likely to harvest the bits of the soul that remain in the stone corpse. Seath was extremely close to his goal of immortality, but at the end of his life he was felled by an undead who destroyed his life's work.

    This is why you are all here, to dissect the magical lore and come up with these theories. We will return to this peculiar beast at a later date, but for now we can conclude this. His allegiance is to his self. Seath may be the greatest opportunists.


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:42 am

    All I have to say is imagine Seath with Crystal Homing Soul mass and except on a much bigger scale!!!......

    but more to topic I think in his last days Seath went Senile, now I don't mean insane.
    He was already insane trying to get immortality, but I mean like the crazy grandpa that calls your dog Sir Regenold the Fifth and tells war stories to Sir Regenold crazy. He is insanely intelligent, not only as a situation genius for his part in the flame war but also as a scholar and what does he do when you meet him? is there any dialogue? any little snide remarks? nope! just lots and lots of SEATH WANT SMASH SMALL UNDEAD, I have no real backing behind this but Seath feels unfinished.....idk like there should be way more to him
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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by menzinho on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:09 pm

    Seath is kind of complicated, like all insane people would be, we can't try to understand what goes in his mind, but i'd say he does not talk to you because you would not understand his language, like the fair lady, notice how no dragons in the game ever speak, maybe their primeval language is too complex for you to comprehend (maybe the calamity ring changes this?) but notice how he rushes down to defend the crystal the moment you step close to it, meaning that even insane, he still got the common sense of priority.

    Also another reason for him to speaking to you is like "This lowly specimen is not worth even my words..." meaning he's also egocentric, just a few facts that are awesome...


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by Shkar on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:14 pm

    As a fun fact, it is entirely possible that Seath was blinded when the fog cleared and the sun shone on the earth. He is specifically said to be an albino, and albinos have to be careful with their eyes when out in the sun (along with their skin, of course). It almost seems poetic for him to help slay the dragons and get blinded in return.


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    Re: Seath the Scaleless *Spoilers*

    Post by menzinho on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:38 pm

    Natures retribution man XD


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