Are bows cheap?

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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by cloudyeki on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:14 pm

    Still bitter bout our first fight, wyrm?

    I kid, but bows are really good if you've a clue on spacing. I often keep myself close to a wall and wait for the inevitable running/rolling attack. If they start early I score a free headshot, if they attack at the right distance I roll and reset the space.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:16 pm

    Chaos Composite + Fire arrows Cloudyeti?


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by cloudyeki on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:20 pm

    It's Eki!

    Also to hell with that combo. Composite 15 + large/poison. Each poison lands between 170-250


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Spurgun on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:23 pm

    Eki, do you know if bows get the 2h strength bonus?
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by cloudyeki on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:25 pm

    I'm pretty sure you don't. It may just be the DSB though.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Spurgun on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:26 pm

    The DSB is special, at least that's what i've heard.

    I was wondering if a 27/40 build would hit as hard as a 40/40 build.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:29 pm

    The dsb requires the 20 str, not 14, even in both hands.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Spurgun on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:31 pm

    I know, that's why i said i heard it was special. What i want to know is if they get the scaling boost.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    After 27 Str bows don't get much AR increase.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:36 pm

    Not according to the character builder. Its 456 at 20 str/40 dex and 498 at 40/40.

    Didn't think to test that when I did my build that used it. Its tough to use except from stealth, but shooting small cars at people is totally worth it.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:40 pm

    After 27 Str it gets 0~1 AR per Str stat.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by cloudyeki on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:12 pm

    I just go 27/40. Mostly because it's a 99 build but also because I'm not looking to do more than chip damage with each shot


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Wisp on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:31 pm

    Ok, so some people consider bows cheap if you never engage. Fair enough. This build has low stamina, and i mix it up with my balder sword.

    I've never felt that bows were cheap when fighting against them, except when people draw cancel into a backstab, but i tend not to backstab anyway.

    Bows don't gain AR past 27 strength as far as i know. If you click the two-handed check box on mugenmonkey the AR doesnt change.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:41 pm

    the dsgb does.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by Wisp on Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:21 pm

    Let me be clearer. Up to 27str, the DSGB gains 3-4 AR per point, after 27str i gain 0-1 AR per point. This means it has reached the point of diminishing returns. ANother way to check is just to check the AR in the menu in the game. The number changes to the number in mugen monkey when you 2 hand in, when you one hand it it's lower. But you can never fire the bow 1 handed.
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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by FattyOfDoom on Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:26 pm

    Bows aren't cheap, just extremely annoying. You must understand, when a person just keeps rolling away and away until they get a clear shot, can get annoying quickly.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by robsthedon on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:58 am

    I agree Hel, not cheap and only annoying if you haven't got a counter, like a bow, dodge or move closer. An xbow normally stops a bow user.


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by DarkW17 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:21 am

    I don't think they are cheap...if someone is pulling what Reim is talking about I just keep rushing them...its Roan or billys trick actually...i may take an arrow or 2 but i always get a hit in...usually when you rush them and get in there face they panic and the bow goes away!!!

    When I use a bow I just stand still and shoot arrows till they rush me then I bow cancel parry them...but I am jerk tho lol!!!


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    Re: Are bows cheap?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:42 am

    The bow is blatantly cheap and OP :roll:

    Of course I am kidding - or am I? In regards to DeS they are indeed overpowered, and on DkS I can get my bow to hit people for about 1k for a shot... That could be considered rather cheap however bows are rather easy to counter, just don't run straight at the user. Curve your sprint etc;


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